Application builder questions

Hi,
I have an application that I want to make a stand-alone executable. I have installed application builder and almost got it the way I want.
I first create an application, which works fine. But I have some questions regarding the installer.
1. I want the installer to be as small as possible.
2. I want the application.exe file included in the same directory as the setup.exe file.
3. Which additional installers do I have to include? My application communicates with a module by using Modbus libraries (VISA). Do I need LV realtime and VISA runtime or others?
BTW. I use LV 8.0
-Christian

Hi Christian
I also had some questions concerning the application builder.
Just have a look at the thread I started - maybe you find some informations helpful to you.
http://forums.ni.com/ni/board/message?board.id=170&message.id=164285&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Thomas
Using LV8.0
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