ASM or not?

Hi all!
I know that ASM is a mature product, features rich and much appreciated by DBAs.
I understand that for best throughput, one would be better to use ASM...
(I also understant that raw device mapping is the best configuration for performance - BUT I definitely would not recommend using RDM for the management complexity it adds..).
It does NOT seems simple to implement ASM here because of responsabilities (sysadmins vs dba).
So my question are (not RAC related):
1- Does anybody actually measured the difference in performance (between using ASM and NOT using ASM, i.e. using O/S filesystem)?
2- I know it is adviced as a best practices (for best throughput) to separate online redo logs and data files - but is realy that bad NOT to do it?
Otherwise said, how detrimental is it to merge logs with datafiles.
Any thoughts/references are welcome...
Jocelyn

Hi ,
ASM has few more additional feature which make it better than rest and available in 12C,
+ Priority rebalance --->> Now ASM will do rebalance depending on file type ,rather file number
+ Failgroup_repair_time -->> Similar to disk_repair_time ,it is failgroup
+ In true sense,disk online replace without impacting normal operation -->> Disk get replace on same slot of that diskgroup ,not on n+1th slot
+ Even read     -->> Read will happen from any allocation
+ backing up additional blocks at ASM level. -->> backing up more asm metadata blocks of each disk which is in use in ASM within that disk.
+ scrubbing --->> Automatically detects logical corruption and try to fix it depending of few things at ASM level.
Even with same characteristics disks ,under different disk controller ,with stripping will have better performance comparing filesystem.
though ,it is not an apple to apple comparison.
With  Priority rebalance ,your online redo logfile will be rebalance earlier that datafiles and availability will be faster .
--- These make ASM a better choice ..
Regards,
Aritra

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