Assesment cycle of Profit center

Hi Frds,
Why do we need to do assessment/ distribution for profit center. When we execute the assesment cycle of cost center the data will flow from cost center to profit center.
Now my issue is If we link the cost center with the profit center then what is the use of assesment cycle of profit center?
-Rashmi
help.sap.com

Hi,
In some cases will book the cost/revenue to dummy profit center/miscellaneous profit center.. at the month end we will use to post either distribution/assessment to book real profit centers. Its based on receiving tracing factor in assessemnt cycle..
Regards
srinu

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Hi,
Need urgent help.
I'm running an Assessment Cycle for Profit Center but every time system does not select any sender or receiver.
Error message:
Cycle 8ATEST1, start date 20070401, does not include any senders.
Message no. GA749
Diagnosis
No senders were found for cycle 8ATEST1, starting date 20070401.
System Response
It is no longer possible to create receivers and assign senders for the segment.
Procedure
Check the definition of the cycle in the maintenance transaction for EC-PCA: Actual Assessment. No valid sender cost centers could be found to match your selection.
If you use the sender rules "Posted amounts" or "Posted quantities", check whether records exist in the database for the criteria you entered (cost element, version...)
During indirect activity allocation with the sender rule "posted quantities", you should also note that only the difference between the planned/posted activity allocation and the scheduled activity quantity is allocated. If you entered activity types as sender, you should at this point also check the activity type category. For those quantities posted with an activity type of category 1 (manual entry, manual allocation) no indirect activity allocation is possible.
1. If this is an allocation in the FI/FI-SL area, the problem could also be due to the inheritance logic for FI-SL totals tables, whose "Inheritance of sender based on the receiver" indicator is activated in the "Partner object update" view (T811U-INHERSRC). These are tables that were installed before Release 4.6A.
Use transaction GCA8 to check this, and see the section on:
Inheritance Logic for Allocations
then correct the affected cycle, if required.
Pls help urgently.
Regards,
Vikas Malhotra

Hello ,
Did you double checked if any postings occurred to the respective profit centers in the cycle for that particular period you are executing??
Thanks,
Sai.

User manual of Distribution & Assessment cycle in Profit Center Accouting

Hi,
Can anybody send me a user manual of Distribution & Assessment Cycle in Profit Center Cycle.
Regards
Sandeep

Hi Sandeep,
the only one we can provide is in SAP Help Portal:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/eb/13811243c411d1896f0000e8322d00/frameset.htm
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Assessment cycle from Profit center to profit center in CO-PA

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We have a scenario where revenue pertaining to other profit centers get booked in HO Profit centre and co-pa is active. Now the requirement is from Ho profit center revenue should be transferred to respective profit centre in profitability segment.
I know profit center assessment is possible through 3KE5 and 4KE5. But requirement is through the assessment values should posted to respective profit center in Profitability segment and not only in profit center accounting.
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Karthikeyan G

Hi Ajay,
Thanks for your input. I tried to do TDD from one profit centre to 3 different PC. I want to transfer from PC 1004 to PC 1001, 1002, 1003. I have created reference data for 3 PC's by posting to sales quantity field and mentioned profit centre.
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Dear MKR,
Thank you for using the SAP SDN Forums,
In this particular case, you could have a look at the following to
see if it helps you, but I have not tested this for your case
so it is not being offered as a definite solution:
You could look at using FAGL_ALLO_SUBSTITUTE which might be able to
help you to get the results that you want.
Due to the inheritance logic in allocation, if you set "transfer
field" option active for the field (T811I-INHER), the system copies
the sender value to the receiver if the receive value is not specified.
Please refer to SAP Help portal:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005vp/helpdata/en/40/e1510735f30baee10000000a114cbd/frameset.htm
You can deactivate "transfer field" flag in customizing
and use BAdI : FAGL_ALLO_SUBSTITUTE to substitute the intended
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field during allocation, rather than OBBH substitution.)
I hope this may be of some assistance in resolving the issue.
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Profit Center Distribution Cycles

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sayeed

SKF Cost center copied over Profit center

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How can I copy the data introduced on the cost center side (either actual or planned: KB31n , KP46), to the profit center side (7KE5, 9KE5)?
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Secondary Cost Element Values doesn't display in Profit Center Report

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it might be the configuration of the library or some parameter in the report (record type should be 0 and 2 for actual values, where 2 stands for distributed values and 1 and 3 for planned values)
but it also might be that the reconciliation is done between different CC and same PC
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- I had that problem my self and didn't solve it
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Third party sales revenue getting posted to Profit Center valuation in COPA

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Use of profit center in Material master

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i.e. Suppose, you want to have your profit center with nomenclature as Site (Plant) + Line of Business (LOB). So, according to this logic you map the same line of business with External Merchandise category and concepts (according to your verticals of business). So, whenever you create any transactions related to this article (material), system will pick up profit center from this article master and for common profit center (for expenses such as service tax and other which needs to be done at common and after that distribute through assessment / disrtibution cycle).
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Doubts on clearing line items in profit centre and deleting the profit cent

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Config issue: no data flow to profit center

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Profit-center determination of bank subaccounts and bank accounts ; with new GL.

The question here-under has been asked a number of times on forums, though never answered really to my knowledge. Let me try to get it formulated once more :
- When a customer invoice is posted, the receivable is properly split per profit-center thanks to the active splitting solution.
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NEW GL: profit center allocation cross company codes possible?

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In PCA the allocations are postes by company code - also the tracing factors are calculated by company code. In NEW GL, can the profit center allocation (transaction FAGLGA11) be done cross company, including the calculation of the tracing factors. Here is my example.
profit center     Company code     cost center     Posted amounts
P00010     02                           200010     1.000,00
P00010     03                           300010     2.000,00
P00010     05                           500010     4.000,00
P00010 Total                                   7.000,00
P40100     02                          240100        10,00
P40100     03                           340100         5,00
P40100     05                          540100         5,00
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P40200     02                           240200        20,00
P40200     03                           340200        30,00
P40200     05                           540200        20,00
P40200 Total                                       70,00
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Split the amount of profit center P00010 on to P40100 and P40200
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split     1.000     by ratio 10/20
     2.000     by ratio 5/30
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Yves Kieckens

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I have sent an OSS message and they replied that it is not possible. There is a note about classic PCA indicating that cross company is not possible, and the same concept is valid for NEW GL.
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Profit Center Accounting in ECC 6.0 New GL Accounting

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I want to make my understanding clear.
If we are in ECC 6.0 and New GL accounting is active and also the One of the Document Spliiting characteristics is Profit Center, it means that all the document must have the Profit center to it.
In this way we can get the Profit center wise Balance sheet.
I hope my understing is clear till now. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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regards

Hi Kerstin
Assume you are on ECC 6.0 and you dont create Dummy PC...
If doc splitting is active, you get an error that "PC in Line item XXXX not filled"... System does not look for Dummy PC in that case...
Same behaviour should have been replicated in CRM as well.. Dont you think so?? If I have not activated EC-PCA, I am not supposed to get any error related to Dummy PC... Thats the basic premise of SAP, as far as I know...
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