AVCHD on FCP 6, what about FCE HD???

Now that there is some support for AVCHD on FCP 6, does anyone know when the same type of support will come to Final Cut Express HD? Pleass please please please tell me it's coming...

as Donna said, speculations are not allowed on this board..
interesting fact is, that FCP needs a conversion first of AVCHD (=doesn't handle that codec 'natively'), and that the conversion allows the options 'rs422' AND 'Apple Intermediate Codec' .. which is well known to FCE users ...

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    And, can you post the picture that you used to compare FCE vs iMovie. I'd like to see if I can SEE any difference.
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    Early AVCHD used 4:2:0 color space, but the more recent AVC-INTRA uses 4:2:2. If you go to AIC, you're throwing out color information. That being said, if you can't see the difference using your eyes, then your eyes are not reliable. If you understand the reason why different color spaces work (in regard to the sensitivity of the human eye) then you would understand that we all know our eyes don't tell us enough.
    But here's the real crux. If you're happy with the result, and it gives you what you want, then do it the way you're doing it. But I certainly wouldn't advise others to do it your way. It's not a better way. It's just an acceptable-to-you way.

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