Average access points/square footage

Hi, if I need a rough estimate on how many access points a 40,000 sq. ft. building would require, can I assume 1 access-point per 100 sq. ft.? Is that right?

Nope, you cannot. Certainly not with the information provided.
100 sqft? You realize that's only a 10x10 foot chunk of real estate, right?
You probably could cover with that, but you are gonna be "challenged" to get those three channels (1, 6, 11 if you're talking 802.11g) assigned on your 400 or so APs.
It doesn't matter, even if you meant 1000 sqft or 10,000 sqft.
You don't mention if this is wide-open territory, warehouse, offices, how many floors, construction materials, environment, potential noise sources, potential band / channel conflicts, ceiling height, floor covering, number of windows, type of client, blah blah blah blah .....
Unfortunately, you can make *no* assumptions with wireless. You can't see RF, so you don't know what's "really" going on in your space.
Even you have "hyper coverage" (like 100sqft per AP), there are no guarantees; it's always a crap-shoot.
Your ONLY way to be sure of your coverage is to do a comprehensive site survey, and even then there's always a few gotchas waiting in the wings.
Make no assumptions, especially if there's reputation or money on the line. Assumptions will cost you big time in both when things get ugly.
Good Luck
Scott

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Can someone tell me the indoor square footage range for a Cisco AIR-AP1131AG ? I have someone that is purchasing this unit and wants to cover 3,500 square feet with just one access point. Thanks.

The range should be fine for that area of coverage. The 1131AG is comparable to the Cisco 4941 antenna, which Cisco says has a range of 300ft at 6Mbps. You'll need to keep several other things in mind, though.
1. Client Capacity - the 1131AG can't support much more than 20 or 25 clients.
2. RF Shadows - An open environment is one thing, but if you have anything in that room then there will be large coverage holes if only a single AP is used. This is especially true with anything metallic.
3. Redundancy - If any wireless traffic is mission-critical, you should probably install a second AP in case the first one fails.
In the end, I would recommend at least one more AP, but purchasing one and trying it out isn't a terrible idea if money is a concern.
Jeff

Wrt54gl as access point

I've read lots of different threads here regarding using the wrt54gl as an access point but to no avail.
I have a 2 wire router with wifi (ATT uverse), but the wifi is not very good. From my desktop wired directly to the router I get 10-12Mbps at speedtest net. On wifi I get a range of 0.5Mbps to maybe 8.0Mbps on a great day. Average of about 2-3Mbps)
I wanted to try the wrt54gl to see if I could get a better consistent signal.
Here are the steps I followed.
1 - plugged an ethernet cable from my 2wire router into 1, 2, 3 or 4 of the wrt54gl's ethernet ports. Not the one that says internet.
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3 - Once in, changed the IP to 192.168.1.2, disabled DHCP, changed the SSID to the same as my 2wire router. Set up secutiry with and same password. Changed the channel to a different channel than the 2 wire wifi.
4 - When I use SSIDer I can see both wifi's operating. One on channel 1 and one on channel 6.
If I disable the wifi on the 2wire I can join the wrt54gl's wifi but if I visit a webpage I get the message "internet explorer is not connected to the internet" So that leads me to believe that it was never really broadcasting anything and I was on the 2wire's wifi before disabling it.
What do I need to change??
Thanks for your help

Hi dy123, have you done a hard reset to the WRT54GL before configuring it with your 2 wire router? I suggest that you do that then reinstall the settings.
To do the proper reset :
1. Press and hold the reset button for 30 seconds while the device is on.
2. Release the button and unplug or power off the device.
You may actually configure the Linksys router as an just additonal access point also if it's not important for all your devices to get all the IP address from the 2-wire router. It means that your computers from the 2 wire will have a different IP address with that of the computers connected to the Linksys.
You can use the LAN to WAN configuration from this link, http://kb.linksys.com/Linksys/ukp.aspx?vw=1&docid=785463d9ecaf4cac84aed245b08d615f_3733.xml&pid=80&r...
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Light weight access point, vlans, multiple ssids

Hi everybody
Let say we have an light weight access point ap1. Ap1 is broadcasting two ssids:
cisco1 which is mapped to vlan 1
cisco 2 which is mapped to vlan 2
If ap1 is using channel 6 for cisco 1, does it mean ap1 will also use same channel i.e channel 6 for cisco2?
thanks and have a great weekend.

sarahr202 wrote:Hi everybodyLet say we have an light weight access point ap1. Ap1 is broadcasting two ssids:cisco1 which is mapped to vlan 1cisco 2 which is mapped to vlan 2If ap1 is using channel 6 for cisco 1, does it mean ap1 will also use same channel i.e channel 6 for cisco2?thanks and have a great weekend.
Lightweight WAP right? As in controller-based WAP?
If this is the case, then the answer is both a yes and a no.
Let me explain:
Throw away the notion that you can set the channel down. I mean, if you have a controller-based WAP, the last thing you want to do is "micro-manage" which channels your WAPs operate on. I mean, you can but as a rule-of-thumb, you don't and let the controller sort things out.
So, going back to your question: You whave multiple WAPs and two SSID: 1 and 2. Let's presume that you've configured that all your WAPs will be broadcasting SSID 1 and SSID 2.
The decision about what channels each WAP will be operating on falls squarely on the Wireless LAN Controller (WLC). The WLC makes this decision based on a blah-blah-blah algorythm. If, for example, WAP A and, say, WAP R can "hear" each other on the same channel, the WLC will make the decision and say, "Hey WAP R, since you and WAP A are operating in the same channel and both of you can hear each other, why don't you, WAP R, operate in channel 11.".
However, if WAP A and WAP R can't see each other then both of them can operate in the same channel.
NOW, here's comes the tricky question ... Here's the scenario: You have SSID 1 and SSID 2. You want all your WAPs to broadcast both SSID. HOWEVER, you want SSID 1 to operate at, say, 1 Mbps rate only while SSID 2 can operate at all other data rates.
Yes, this can be done using RF Profile and AP Groups.
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Can I use my AirPort as a wireless access point?

Can I use my AirPort as a wireless access point? Can I disable DHCP? How? I have model A1143.

Can I use my AirPort as a wireless access point?
Yes, if it connects to your main router using a permanent, wired Ethernet cable connection. Connect the Ethernet cable from one of the LAN <--> ports on the main router to the WAN (circle of dots) port on the AirPort Extreme.
Can I disable DHCP
Configure the AirPort to operate in Bridge Mode. That will turn off both DHCP and NAT services. If you are using the setup utility on a recent version of the Mac or iPhone/iPad, the utility will automatically set up the AirPort for you in Bridge Mode when it detects another router on the network.
How?
This will depend on what operating system you have your Mac or PC, or whether you want to use an iPhone or iPad for the setup. Let us know on that.
I have model A1143.
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Which model of Access Point is suitable?

I need to suggest an access point for my office My office is around 100 meter square and there are about 15 to 20 staffs working insides need to use wireless connection their notebook. Please suggest a model of access point which is capable for my situation.

How about you use a wireless router instead of an access point? Wireless routers have better wireless capability and have better features. Linksys has the WAP300N access point which is also a combo of four modes. Namely:
Access Point: create a new wireless network or upgrade your existing to wireless-N
Range Extender: increase existing wireless coverage
Media Connector: Connect your HD TV or games consoles or Blu-ray player or other internet enabled devices to your network using the ethernet port
Bridge: Wirelessly join multiple networks together

How many clients support access points 1602, 2602, 3602?

Hi! How many clients support access point 1602, 2602, 3602. I have found for example that the 1602 supports 32 ClientLink clients and max 128 clients, APs 2602, 3602 supports 128 ClientLink clients and max 200 clients. But is it really? And can we say for example that the AP 2602 will withstand max 200 clients?

The reason the answer varies so much, is because there are so many variables (this is also why the value ranges so much from one manufacture to the next). When determining the answer you are looking for you need to consider the following factors and likely more:
AP model and the features it supports
single, dual, or tri radio AP
20, 40, or 80Mhz wide channels
Device type (b/g, b/g/n, a/b/g/n, a/b/g/n/ac, spatial stream support, and channel width support)
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Rogue detection/mitigation configuration
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Network latency on the switching side - including the internet circuit
Application of per SSID, per user, and or per application rate limiting
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I have personally seen 80 devices on a 5Ghz radio of a 3500 access point with several other access points and at least 200 other clients in the area and it was working well. That being said I would never design to expect that many on a single radio, but I think it is better said that you can safely design for 20-30 clients per 2.4Ghz radio and 25-40 clients per 5Ghz radio.
The default statement of 20-25 per AP and similar low expectation statements concerning Cisco wireless have been around for many years. It is now 2014. About 65% of clients support 5Ghz, ~9% support AC (already), ~90% support some form of N, and ~0.01% support B only. The landscape of wireless is changing fast making questions like this one have ever changing answers.
I hope this helps :).
John

Factory Floor Wireless Access Point

I am interested in implementing an wireless access point to communicate with existing Ethernet linked Rockwell PLCs. Primary tasks would be supervisory in nature for troubleshooting and programming using Rockwell software on Windows PC. Currently would not be for PLC to PLC communications, maybe in the future. Plant is about 100,000 square feet. Looking for solutions that is reliable and having high availability. Please advise of specific solutions/models.
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The 1250 and the 1260 requires external antennas. The 1140 has an internal antenna and is mostly suited for office space deployment. The 1260 will support antennas of up to -6 dBm while the 1250 can support slightly higher. The 1250 requires 20.0w of power for optimum operation while the 1260 and the 1140 will operate at 15.4w PoE power. If you don't have any PoE switches then you can purchase either a PWR-INJ4 power brick or a mid-span switch.
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Unable to stop the event logs on access point console

Hi team,
I have an AIR-LAP1131AG-E-K9 access point having ios c1130-k9w8-mx.124-21a.JHB1.
When I am trying to take the console of it there are many logs generated like LWAPP ...Go join the controller, Discover controller etc. and the ap is unable to register to the controller(2112 with ios version 6.0.199.4). I'm trying to enter the command but there are many event msg generated....How do i stop this event log. I tried entering the command no debug all. but still there are many logs...
I want to enter the the following commands
#lwapp ap ip address <ip addr>.
#lwapp a pip default-gateway <gateway ip addr>
#lwapp ap controller ip addr <controller ip>
#wr me
Revert me back on urgent basis
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Thanks Rashika,
Now the access point got registered to the controller..This happened becuse of country Code..
I have changed the country code to UK, Belgium it started working fine.
Initially when it was IN the access point was not getting register..
But now the problem which arised is that the user is unable to get authenticated to the radius server.
Radius server is reachable and we have done every changes required for radius server authentication.
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Customer is saying that the radius server is in IN domain and the WLC/access point is in UK,BE and hence the users are unable to connect..
Is it so??
Rply
Thanks in advance...

How do I make my AirPort Extreme a access point?

I just bought a Time Capsule and now I want to extend my range of my network. How do I make my AE an access point?

In this case, you will want to configure both base stations in an extended network.
Dynamic WDS - Extending a Wireless Network Setup
If practical, place the base stations in near proximity to each other during the setup phase. Once done, move them to their desired locations.
Open AirPort Utility, and then, select the base station that will connect to the Internet.
Choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu, or double-click the base station to open the configuration in a separate window. Enter the base station password if necessary.
Click AirPort in the toolbar, and then, click Wireless.
Choose “Create a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then, select the “Allow this network to be extended” checkbox.
Next, select the base station that will extend this network, and then, choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu, or double-click the base station to open its configuration in a separate window. Enter the base station password if necessary.
Choose “Extend a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then, choose the network you want to extend from the Network Name pop-up menu.
Enter the base station network and base station password if necessary.
Click Update to update the base station with new network settings.
(ref: Pages 43-44 of Apple AirPort Networks.)

How do I configure my AirPort Extreme as a wireless access point? My cable modem goes to a router, and one of those ports goes to my AirPortExtreme.

I am about to hook up my airport extreme. My cable modem goes into a router, and one of those ports will supply my airport extreme. I was told by the Apple Store that I would need to configure my airport extreme as a wirreless access point. How do I do this?

With sbcgobal I got a Gateway 2wire modem. What I would like to know is how do I set up my APE as remote?
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Can't HP Officejet pro 8100 do wifi access point?

Yesterday my HP Officejet pro 8100 arrived and I try to connect via wifi. I thinked that It need a infrastructure access point to print via wifi.
When I powered on the printer I osserved that It create an access point autonomously with SSID: HP-Setup-7A-Officejet Pro, with IPv4 address server, etc...
I was very happy and I printed a page with my smartphone samsung s4 connected directly with printer access point (not wifi direct but standard wifi).
Today no changed occurred but I can't use printer with its own access point, but only with an external wifi access point.
Someone can help me, please? It could be an hardware problem?
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Hello lucait
To print via WiFi you need to have a wireless router setup. Once you have the wireless router setup correctly you will have a SSID and Wepkey that will enable you to add devices to your network. The network will allow all your devices to communicate not just with each other but with the internet. At the moment your printer was not put in a network so instead of broadcasting on a network it is broadcasting on it's own network called HP-Setup-7A-Officejet Pro which is only good for a short period of time to allow you to setup your wireless. I am going to assume you have a wireless network and you are just needing assistance getting the printer setup on that network.
To set your printer up on a network you will need to reset your network defaults so your printer begins to broadcast that HP-Setup-7A-Officejet Pro network again. You can do this buy following the steps on the HP Support document Resetting the Network Settings. Once you have done this you can begin to install the software that came with your printer on your computer. You want to set the printer up wirelessly when the option arrives. The software should configure your printers wireless for you and put it on the network. Once completed you should be able to access your printer from all your devices as long as they are on the network.
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Setting up a netgear n300 as wireless bridge/access point with airport extremee

I just replaced my netgear wireless router with the airport to allow our many devices on the network without knocking each other off and also increase the speed. But would like to use the netgear as a wireless bridge or access point so that I can still connect my NTFS formatted hard drive to be shared on the network. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I can not seem to find my netgear router with 192.168.1.1 as that comes up with another device. I have tried doing this with a windows laptop in another room but can not seem to make it work. I am now hooked up directly to the airport thinking i need to do it that way and still no luck. Please help.

As long as you intend to do this over ethernet it will work.. you cannot easily wireless repeat or bridge to an apple router.. you would need specific hardware to do it.
What is the exact model of netgear you have?
The setup method depends on the functionality of the router.. but lets assume it does not have a bridge or WAP mode.
You use WAN bypass.
1. Setup the Netgear with IP address in the correct IP range for the rest of the network.. it is hard to talk generalities so lets say the apple is main router and your network is now 10.0.1.x .. then set the Netgear to 10.0.1.250 (apple uses IP 2-200 by default) you can use any value you like outside the DHCP range. Up to the limit which is 254 as long as you keep track of all static IP devices. Apply this setting and power cycle the router.. and you might need to power cycle the computer as well to pick up the new IP.
2. Turn off the DHCP server in the Netgear. You may lose connection to the netgear now.. do not worry about it.. (this can be combined with one.. if you firstly turn off dhcp before you change the IP.. but whatever is possible.. at some point you will need to change around and if you forget what IP .. you will be in a mess.. so write it on a label and stick on the base of the router.. also without dhcp you will either need to reset router to factory using reset button or use static ip on the computer. )
3. Plug ethernet from LAN of the main router to LAN of the Netgear. Reboot the whole network is often necessary.
4. In your computer plugged somewhere in the network.. open browser and go to the address you set.. 10.0.1.250 in my example.
5. You can then setup the Netgear to do whatever you like.. DIsk access is fine.. wireless is fine.. it just cannot be a router.
Many many reboots if you get lost. Hit reset and start over.

New wireless network with several access points

Hi,
We are planing to deploy a wireless network that will cover two floors consisting of about 5 or 6 Access points. It should have 2 or 3 SSID (placing the clients in 2 or 3 different VLANS).
What would be the best solution for this?
I read a lot about wireless controllers. What about an option to just buy standalone access points? Are they all configured to work with the same SSID's and on the same channel?

A centralized controller should make your life easier:
- Centralized config - set up everything on the controller and it gets applied to the AP's.
- Centralized monitoring - when someone has a problem, you can check the controller instead of having to figure out the AP to which they are connecting (computers don't always connect to the closest AP)
- Dumb AP's - if someone steals one of your APs, they will not be able to learn much about your network from a lightweight AP
- Radio Resource Management - let the controller make the channel and power setting decisions for you
- If you use PoE, you may never have to get on a ladder and use the console port of a lightweight AP. The AP is managed by the controller, and for the rare occasion that you can't get an AP to respond - just cycle the power to the AP via the switch port.
There are some downsides:
- Cost of the controller (since you're buying AP's one way or the other)
- Most cost: If your wireless network is important, then you typically want a second wireless controller as a backup
- Probably more downsides, but my brain hurts today

When using EA6400 as an access point only, certain features lost

I've set up my EA6400 and have it connected to my Verizon MW424WR(Gigabit) and it works fine as an access point and the Twonky Server uses the USB drive I have attached to the router's USB port. Problems:
1)I can not use the linksyssmartwifi link for management, I have to use the IP(set for 192.168.1.50) for this. When trying to register/login, the Linksys end is trying to find a Linksys router but can not and will not allow any action.
2)Although Twonky will use the attached HD, I can not share the device over the home (Windows) network. I've tried various incantations of the IP \\192.168.1.50\(whatever share name I can think of) with no avail.
3)Using the Linksys admin, the Device List is incomplete. Devices connected wirelessly such as my iPod, Roku, Sony Media Player and WD HD TV Live do not show as wirelessly connected and do not have an IP listed.
4)Is there any point in using the Media Prioritization settings since no routing is done by an access point. Or will it actually prioritize the wireless connection.
BTW, the Verizon router can not be set in bridge mode so I have to use the router as an access point to accomplish what I wish.
TIA,
Randy

Some applications and router features require the use of the WAN port. If the router is set up for LAN to LAN AP mode only, then those features won't work in this mode. Only Router mode.
If the ISP modem has a built in router, it's best to bridge the modem. Having 2 routers on the same line can cause connection problems: Link>http://www.practicallynetworked.com/networking/fixing_double_nat.htm and http://computer.howstuffworks.com/nat.htm If the modem can't be bridged then see if the modem has a DMZ option and input the IP address the router gets from the modem and put that into the modems DMZ. Then connect the router in router mode using the WAN port to the ISP modem, then features and apps should work.
tduong44 wrote:
I am having the same problem, not being able to use ANY apps like USB drive, FTP, etc when setting the device in bridge mode because I want to access the drive outside of my network using port forwarding. Contact Linksys/Cisco support and was told that I needed to setup the Verizon router in Bridge mode.. That was it, that was the solution... AND also to check with provider for instruction how to.. WTH kind of support is that>??

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