Bank select, patch names

I have a mutitimbral synth (Roland M-GS64) and I am trying to set it up in my environment so I can call up patches by name instead of numbers. It has patches on 22 banks total, but ranging from banks 000 to 040
Now since logic only allows for 15 banks per synth object in the environment. I know I need to create 3 multi synth objects in my environment to represent 1 synth. one object for banks 000 to 014, one for banks 015 to 029, and one for 030 to 040
Does anyone else beside me think this is a really stupid way to handle this? OMS used to handle this quite well as a single instrument in my studio set up. And DP4 uses .midnam files in OSX which does this quite easily and effortlessly. How can such a sophisticated program as logic be so dumb in this regard?
But I have wisely chosen Logic as my DAW and I want to be able to access my instrument patches by name
So FINALLY here is my question:
how do I tell the 2nd and 3rd multi instruments that represent my one synth, to address banks 015 to 040? When I create a new Multi it defaults to banks 0-14. is there a transformer for this or what?

Yes, thats where I went, and after hooking up a midi monitor, I see that it is sending banks 16-29 instead of 0-15. but it is not changing my Instrument parameters box to the correct bank nor is my synth recieving it properly.
MMMM I have one more thing to try......

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Patch names for Roland?

I'm getting lost in the Environment chapter. I'm trying to set up my Roland JV-1010 external synth module, and not getting the sounds working right. I'm sure there are several problems, which I'll work through one by one, but this I can see is going to be a key:
Is there some way to get the Roland's several banks of patch names to appear automatically in LE8, without the huge and error-prone task of typing them all in?
I just want to be able to select the JV-1010 as the MIDI instrument for a track, and go through the list of patch names and choose. Am I missing a basic principle here?

Charles: I had the very same problem using a Yamaha Motif ES8 keyboard. I wanted to find a way to have logic recognize the patch names and bank numbers. I didn't find my answers here. I was very lucky to go on to the Yamaha Motif users group and find someone there that had done all of the leg work as far a typing out the patch names and bank changes and then saved it in logic as a .logic file. So I downloaded that project file from the yamaha users group and opened up that project in logic express but before I recorded anything on it, I saved the blank project with the yamaha midi info as a template. Now, every time I open up a new project, I have the option to open up that template and it has all of my patches and bank numbers pre-loaded.
If I were you, I would look around and try to find a Roland JV-1010 users group and see if you have the same good fortune.
Good Luck

Selecting patches from a GrooveBox

I need some help from folks who use outboard midi modules with logic. My question is below.
Before I got into DAW software (GarageBand then Logic Express), I used a "groove box". The one I have is a Roland D2. It has like 600 sounds or there about, many of which I really like and would like to use in some of my Logic projects.
I've just learned how to use my Korg "general midi" module from the book "Logic Pro 7 and Logic Express 7" by Martin Sitter. The book is cool and taught me how to use the Environment and a general midi module in Lesson 11 "setting up the Midi Environment" (pg 429-496)
I think I understand most of it but it's pretty new and still sinking in a bit.
So let's say that I wanted to use the Roland D2 I mentioned above.....(not a general midi device)
It's my understanding that I would..
1. create a "standard" midi instrument in the Environment Window
2. select a midi chanel to use with that instrument going to the Roland D2. (Let's say that for whatever reason I choose midi channel "3")
3. Select a patch on the Roland D2 from the "Object Parameter Box in the Arrange window.
Here is where it get's tricky for me.
The Roland D2's many sounds are divided up into 5 banks (A, B, C, D, E each with 128 patches)
Let's say I wanted patch No. 023 in Bank E......
I'm not sure how to set that up in the Object Parameter Box. I seem to only be able to get the first bank of sounds and the patch names correspond to the General Midi patch list.
I don't really need Logic to know the "names" of the patches in the Roland D2, I have that printed in the D2 manual. I just need to be able to call up the right patch in the right bank.
Here is something that might be important....
In the Roland D2 manual in the patch listing page, it seems that each bank has it's own special code number. For intance Bank E that I was refering to above has this number under it in the manual...
Preset E
(CC#0 = 84, CC#32 = 0)
Bank D has this code..
Preset D
(CC#0 = 81, CC#32 = 3)
Is this something that Logic would need to know in order to choose the patch I want (Bank E patch 023 Mini Bass)???
Thanks in advance for your help.
Morris
iMac G5 Mac OS X (10.3.9) 1.5 gigs ram

Yea......I think I found what you were talking about. I'm able to pull down a set of Patch numbers instead of patch names.
I seem to have found a way to make all this work with the Roland D2. On the D2 I set up a midi chanels 1-7 with the correct patches then I'm able to save that to a user area on the D2. As long as I remember where that's saved in the D2 I'm OK. Its not gracefull but it seems to work OK.
I did try searching for "environments" for my two midi synths (Roland D2 and Korg X5DR) and could not find anything on the internet. Maybe my searching skill are not so hot OR my synths are just not common enough to have "environments" out there already.
Best,
Morris

Bank select "127" problem

My synth does not support Bank select. Instead there are 1000 archived (sequentially)
path numbers(names). Is there a way to go around/beyond the 127 bank select presets
in Logic to achieve path selection thru Logics parameters box?
In the Midi implementation chart I have the following about Bank selection;
Prog: Transmitted/Recognized/Remarks: 0 / 1-100 / n00 - n99
Change True #: Transmitted/Recognized/Remarks: blank/ 1-100 /
Bank Select LSB sets 100s Offset (n)

Are you using a Matrix-1000 by any chance?
If the synth does not support bank changes, there is no way to access them via MIDI. MIDI program changes can only be between 0 and 127.
There is no such thing as a program change for 654.
Usually, synths with lots of patches that were pre-bank change let you specify which of their patches the program changes 0-127 were mapped to, or else, mapped the 0-127 to whichever bank you had active.
In short, if the synth doesn't support bank changes, or any other way to remotely select all of their patches (ie sysex), you can't remotely switch them via MIDI.
But then you go on to say it's spec support bank changes. Use a multi instrument and check out the support bank change messages, or create your own custom one. That should work then. So it looks like your synth does support bank selection.

How to import patch names?

I am trying to load the patch names for a roland fantom xr. I've read about 50 posts regarding this but all seem very convoluted. In ProTools, you simply load the .midnam file. What's the best way to do this in logic 9

Hi
Unless you can find a ready-made Environment MultiInstrument with all the right patch names, Bank Select messages etc., you have a boatload of copy & pasting (you have to do this a bank at a time from some kind of text file of the patch names).
Perhaps this will get you in the right direction?
http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5419
CCT

How to Import Yamaha Motif XS 8 Patch Names into Logic?

Hello -
I am a new user of MAC plus Logic. I just installed Logic Studio with Apogee ensemble. The virtual instruments are working great and I am able to browse the patch names by banks and catagories. Just downloaded a logic patch file from yamaha site for my Motif XS 8 Synthesizer. The has a .LSO extention. When I click on the file, the logic environment window opens up and I can see the patches. How do I import these patches into my project environment.
Any help on this will be greatly appreciated.

Open up the source song, the one you downloaded with the environment (old Logic songs were *.lso files).
You'll probably see an environment window, showing a multiinstrument - it's this that has the bank messages and the patch names defined.
Select the multiinstrument, and edit -> copy.
Now close that song.
Open up your default startup template song (the "destination" song), open the environment on a layer of your choosing, and select edit -> paste, to paste that multi-instrument into the environment of this song.
Change the MIDI port on that multi-instrument so it's sending to the port your hardware is connected to. Close the environment window, and resave the song as your startup template.
(You may wish to preassign the 16 multi-instrument sub MIDI channels to arrange tracks if you are regularly sequencing them, to save time so these are already assigned to tracks when you start.)
Now for every song you start, it will have your setup for the Motif.
Does that help?

How to configure a map of patches names of my midi device in order to insert program changes from Logic?

How to configure a map of patches names of my midi device in order to insert program changes from Logic?

Thomjinx wrote:
You can usually use a patch editor-librarian program like Sound Diver or MidiQuest to copy and paste the patch names (one bank at a time) into the patch name list of a multi-intsrument object in the environment.
That's what I do. Works like a charm.
Cheer,
Thomjinx
"My first copy of Logic came on Floppy disks"
And you will need to setup bank change commands for your particular instrument, if it does in fact have several banks of internal patches. Logic comes with a selection of bank change commands, one of them will almost always work.
My first copy of Logic came on floppies, two of them I think and was MIDI only, moved up to Logic_Audio at version 3.0 I think.

Bank Select with Famton X7 and Logic Sttudio

Hi,
I'm a new user of Logic Studio and of this forum ... but I'm familiar with MIDI.
My Question: How can I send the right MSB and LSB for a program change to the Roland Fantom X?
For example the Patch *PRA 001* (So far ...)
There is only one Program Box in a track. I see no possibility to send these two Midi numbers together with my program number ...
this problem - with your help - will not be a big problem I hope ...
Many thanks in advance for your ansers.
Greetings
- Frank Schweizer

Hi Frank
In the instruments parameters box to the left of the arrange window you see the word program and a check box. Check that box to enable program changes. just to the right of the check box (by default) is a small dash - click there to select your bank change command. and just to the right of it, you see a 0 and an up and down arrow, there is where you choose your program change
By default when you set up and instrument it uses control 0 and 32 for bank select commands, which I believe is standard for Roland. If yours is something other than that you can assign custom bank change messages in the environment
Hope this helps
Don

How do I keep my Patch names for my external Midi instruments when starting

Whenever I start a new project all the names in the different banks are just numbers.
I use a JV-2080 with expansion cards which represent close to 2000 patch names in 11 banks.
(I have some other Midi instruments too with their banks)
I have a "basic setup" project where all the patches for all the instruments are loaded, and until I know a better way, I always start with that "basic setup" and then modify it and "save as" a new project.
Is that the only way? or is there a way to automatically load all the patch names in the Multi Instrument window?
I find it very annoying that I cannot start a project from scratch, without having to copy and paste hundreds of patch names.
I read somewhere in the manual that "initializing" the banks in the Multi Instrument Window, occupies extra memory. I find this comment very strange because the text file containing all my patch names is only 24kB just a drop in the bucket.
Or am i missing something?

The whole point of autoload temapltes is you setup a Logic song to contain all the stuff you need, environment configuration, patch names, track assignments and so on, so whenever you load Logic or start a new song, all your stuff is instantly there.
Think of it like a real studio - when you start a new song, you don't unpack all your gear from boxes, put them on shelves, and wire them up etc before you start - that stuff is all done once beforehand. You just turn them on, and go.
Same with Logic - it loads your startup template with all your stuff in it, so you can immediately just start doing music, with no futzing necessary.

Importing patch names into Logic Express

Anyone know of a utility that will allow me to get the patch names out of my hardware synths and into Logic?

Yes, but the utility built into Logic is a simple cut/paste from a text file. I have 6 synths each with multiple banks and a lot of custom patches. Even if I could find the patch lists in .txt format it would still be a lot of typing. There has to be a better way. I've seen PC software that can pull patch names directly from synths via sysex. Logic can't do this as far as I know so I'm looking for a 'helper app' that can. I know Sound Diver used to be a way of doing this but as far as I know it's pretty much dead.

Patch names in media bay

When installing a new 3rd party instrument such as tassman 4.. shouldnt i see the name patches in the media bay.. same as with logic instruments etc. the point is that i wish to select patches from the media bay rather than have to display the synth interface for patch selection.

Hi, I see no easy way to do it...

ROLAND SR JV patch names !!

Hi all,
New to Logic after using DP/PT for years, really like what I see but..it doesn't come with patch names for most synths ??? REALLY ??
I'm looking for patch names for the basic JV-2080, plus the SR-JV cards WORLD, COUNTRY, POP, HOUSE and ORCHESTRA.
Before you mention Cherry Picker, it doesn't run on my Mac (10.5.8) !
HELP ! This was such a given in DP that I admit I'm a little spoiled..
Many thanks for your any help !!
Benny.

OK Guys, here you go:
https://www.yousendit.com/download/YkxKVWRoZ1BnYU5jR0E9PQ
This is an old Logic file that contains about 200 "multi instruments" with patch names & the appropriate bank change messages. It will take a little work on your part to get these things into your own environments, and there are some basic instructions in the song file itself (should come up in the marker text window).
You can either open this file then copy your needed instrument(s) and paste them into your own template Environment (recommended) - or open each multi's patch list and copy the actual text.
If you go the recommended route, you may need to change the MIDI bank numbers to match your device's card slots if you're using Roland expansion cards.
Hope this helps - this document covers most popular MIDI gear from the glory days
Jim

Problems with Custom Bank Select

Hi, I've encountered a problem with the configuration I work in my office: an Imac 21.5' 2009 dual core, with Logic studio 9.1.3 and a Yamaha S90 ES with the last firmware installed.
For some pretty urgent compositional work I have the need to be able to switch between the 6 sound banks of the S90. I've followed the instructions on both the pdf and the paper manual, but when I create the "external midi" track and I switch to the Custom bank select, and I go to Options (as noted on the manuals) I can't find the Custom bank options, and the window on which I could set the MSB and LSB and Program change doesn't show up. How can I get to that window?

CCTM wrote:
There seems to have been some un-documentated changes to the Custom bank Select process.
You can access the "Define" window by Control or Right-clicking on the Multi-Instrumnet object itself (NOT the Patch list window). Choose "Define Custom Bank Messages" from the contextual menu.
Further investigation reveals the solution:
The manual is referring to the 'Options' menu in the Environment window, NOT the 'Options' menu in the Patch List window.
Remember to select the MultiInstrument object 1st.
HTH
CCT

How to ... change the default for "patch name" when doing the assemlby?

Hi all,
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By default the name will be set to <trackID>.<timestamp> and I would like to have something else ...
Best regards
and thanks for any help
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I don't think you can - there's nothing in the documentation indicating how you can change the default. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a configuration file somewhere that contained an assembly name template, but altering it (assuming it exists) would certainly be at your own risk.
You could always open an OSS note against BC-CTS-CMS and ask.

Patch Names once and for all

Not sure how where to post this suggestion to Apple, but wouldn't it make more sense to import patch names for Devices, more "up stream" into the Audio Midi Setup, rather than LogicPro9?
This would then make patch names available for any software "trained" to read them from the "Audio Midi Setup." Finale, Band-in-a-Box, etc. could all be trained to do that.
This is the way Opcode did it back in Studio Vision days with OMS.
Where can I post this suggestion to Apple?

It probably would make sense, but on the list of development priorities for OSX, I expect it would lie pretty low, as the percentage of MIDI-hardware owning Mac owners will be minutely small.
I think Apple's policy in the main is that most people are using in-the-box instruments - they will obviously continue to support external MIDI instruments, they are not going to remove that facility in Logic, for instance, but the amount of active development in that direction is pretty small.
One of the fundamental reasons for Logic's environment, for example, is to interface, manage, and let you control and route external MIDI hardware, back in the days when Logic was only a MIDI sequencer.
Over fifteen years of development, that side of Logic has hardly been added to at all, whereas the audio playback, processing and software instrument side has undergone massive development.
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Bank select, patch names

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