Batch capture / Subclip question

Hey all,
I've logged tapes from DV marking in / out points and labeling the clips. I've selected "log clips" and then batch captured the clips. Sometimes, I've needed to batch capture 1 minute of footage from a 20 minute clip - and I don't want to recapture the whole 20 minute clip.
I've tried to make a subclip of the footage needed and just capture the subclip, but it wants to grab the whole 20 minute clip.
Ideas?
Thanks,
Kevin
PowerBook G4 15" Mac OS X (10.3.9) FCP HD 4.5

Subclips aren't captured, they are made from clips
ALREADY captured. If you needed shorter clips, you
need to log them that way before capturing ... or you
can make the 1 minute clip an "independent clip."
-DH
Thanks for the reply. I identified the clip in the sequence I wanted to recapture. It's a 20 second soundbite with a DV glitch in it. I highlighted the clip, selected "make independant clip", and nothing seemed to happen. With that clip highlighted, I tried to recapture the clip, but it still said the duration of the recapture would be the length of the full original clip. All I need to do is recapture a short piece of the original. Any ideas?
Thanks,
- KO

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I'm sorry for the repost, but the older questions I can find on this topic won't allow me to reply and they were never answered (last post several months ago).
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Thanks David,
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FCP seems to be coping OK with 30 at a time but doesn't appear to like 50. I know what you mean about all the shuffling - but surely it's only like asking the Mac to do a large calculation?
I've discounted the power saving theory as it happened after I changed the prefs to 'never'.
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Hey guys,
Just finished a shoot in the city this arvo. Got back to log and capture and have run into a short problem.
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Message was edited by: George Bazhenov

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Just thought i'd take a minute to post back and update the forum with the outcome. After many more tries and batch capturing with HDV and DV and in great frustration, I came upon a wonderful post (sorry can't remember who/where) in which the OP said they were having the very same issues as me. The solution was staring me in the face the whole time: Quicktime.
All I did in the end to overcome my problem was to plug in the camera, check QT preferences were set to source: HDV camera and Native resolution, then just hit play on the camera and start up a new movie recording!
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Hope this helps someone. It was by no means my ideal workaround, but having backed up the file taken from QT, has at least saved me this once!
Thankyou for all your help,
Best,
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