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create table temp AS select * from employees;
declare
cursor c1 is select(employee_id, salary from temp)where
salary>20000 and rownum<10;
crusor c2 is select * from (select employee_id, salary from temp where salary>20000 order by desc)
where rownum<5;
begin
update temp set employee_id=rownum;
end;
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BEGINNERS

create table temp AS select * from employees;
declare
cursor c1 is select(employee_id, salary from
temp)where
salary>20000 and rownum<10;
crusor c2 is select * from (select employee_id,
salary from temp where salary>20000 order by desc)
where rownum<5;
begin
update temp set employee_id=rownum;
end;I also strongly believe what you are trying to do with this statements are not the right path. So additional to your ORA-XXXXX message please briefly mention what you are up to so you can also get the right SQL to do that task.

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    Overclocking is a process of making various components in a computer to go faster than their stock speeds. So if you buy a processor (lets say an i7-920 2.66 GHz) and make it go faster (lets say 3.6 GHz), that can be deemed as overclocking.
    HALT! Do not proceed any further until you have read this:
    Dell, Gateway, eMachine, etc... do not overclock very well, so proceed at your own risk. You break it, it is your fault.
    A little bit more of some explanation:
    This guide is intended to explain how to overclock and its uses. It was made for those who have computers (moreover, motherboards and other components) that support overclocking. If you bought a brand of computer like Dell, Sony, Gateway, HP, eMachine, or any other crappy PC (not saying all of them are) that comes for a store like Walmart, Best Buy, or Circuit City, then this guide does not pertain to you. Even though it is possible to overclock these systems with software, it is not recommended nor advised. This guide is meant for anyone who has a motherboard made by ASUS, GIGABYTE, Abit, DFI, (sometimes Intel), or any other well known brand known for their boards and overclocking abilities. But be forewarned, not all boards made by these companies are made to overclock. Check and see if yours does before going any farther than this final line.
    Note: There are ways to bypass hardware overclocking via software, but it is not recommended and can make your PC unstable, even rendering it unable to stay stable till the system is returned to normal. Overclocking software is made for boards that supports overclocking so that changes can be made without having to restart.
    Further notes:
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    -Computers with boards that do not support overclocking do not have adequate cooling.
    Why would you want to overclock if it could be damaging?
    Simple, to get more out of what you payed for. Overclocking is similar to going and upgrade a car's engine by boring out its piston chambers and adding better fuel injection, air intake, transmission, etc..., but there is always a risk in doing so. But it all boils down to one thing: performance. It is hard to fry your system if you are careful and know what you are getting yourself into. If you are careful about what you do, then it is rather hard to do any kind of permanent damage to your system by pushing it to its sheer limits.
    As with any kind of performance enhancement, there is a level of risk involved. The first and foremost danger is heat. Heat will degrade and damage your components beyond repair if left unchecked and will most definitely lower your system's life span. When you overclock, you are making your computer do more work than it is used to, thus it is going to generate more heat, so having a good cooling system is essential. If you do not have sufficient cooling, then your system could and will overheat. Overheat by itself cannot kill your computer though, the only way for that to happen is to repeatedly overheat it time and time again past the recommended temperatures. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRY TO STAY AT OR BELOW YOUR CPU's MAX RATED TEMPERATURE! If you go above this, you can risk harming your CPU. Do so at your own risk. Run your CPU at 5-10C above its max temp for short periods only and ONLY for benchmarking purposes only. DO NOT DO IT FOR LONG TERM!
    And as luck would have it, you do not have to be overly worried about your system overheat as there will be signs before you system becomes a fried potato. Random crashes are probably the most common sign. Overheat is easily prevented by the use of thermal sensors which can tell you how hot your system is getting. If you see temperatures that you think is too high, then either run at a lower speed, or get better cooling, which I will cover later on.
    The other danger of overclocking is voltage. Too much, and you can significantly shorten your components' lifespan. A small boost will not do much, but if you plan on a rather hefty overclock, you may want to be aware that it will decrease the lifespan of your computer's components. But this is usually not an issue since most people who will overclock do not use their components for more than 4-5 years and there is a good chance your components will not fail before 4-5 years regardless of the voltages running through it. Most processors are designed to last in upwards of ten years. So most of the time, loosing a few of those years is worth the performance gained for overclocking.
    Disclaimer for my own protection:
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    Overclocking can really mess things up, and it wares down your hardware and its life-expectancy. In other words, the more you overclock, the shorter your computer will live (like how an F1 car's engine must be replaced after every other race). If you attempt to overclock, then I am not responsible for any damage or destroyed hardware when using this guide. Follow at your own risk.
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    This guide is meant for beginners and not for people looking to squeeze out every last bit from their processor. That’s when things become extremely motherboard specific. The goal of this guide is to try to make overclocking the core i7 an easy and enjoyable experience. Overclocking your core i7 is a must; if you don’t you’re a chump. This guide will focus more on core i7 920s, but ideas will probably carry over into EE and higher end chips with locked multipliers.
    Recommended hardware:
    1. A good cooler (Do not use stock if you plan to go past around 3.5. You will run your processor way too hot) (Noctua, ThermalRight Ultra Extreme or Megahalem are my preferred ones but read around.
    2. DDR3 1600+ - You can get away with 1333 but with ram being as cheap as it is, why not.
    3. Pretty much any x58 board (although some are better than others, read some reviews).
    4. A good PSU with an EPS(8 pin) plug.
    5. Paper, Pencil, and Patience – Write things down so you can remember your successes and failures. There is not much to play with in terms of the i7, but keeping track of what you tried can eliminate any frustrating experiences and also allow you to go back to a known stable settings.
    Recommended software for stability testing:
    1. Prime95.
    http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/
    2. Memtest86+ http://www.memtest.org/
    3. Realtemp http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
    4. CPUZ - http://www.cpuid.com
    Many people have personal favorites but the above are what I use.
    Not all I7s are created equal:
    1. So you read on a thread that someone hit 4 ghz on a C0 stepping processor with only 1.28 vcore and you’re wondering if yours will do the same. It’s doubtful, but who knows. It may take you up to 1.4 volts at least with a C0. That’s life; if you're unhappy, sell it and buy a D0.
    2. Not all i7s have the same quality IMC (Integrated Memory Controller). Some are more temperamental than others and will refuse to run your ram at its rated speed without a huge raise of qpi/uncore (VTT). This is not common and often it can be a sign of the quality of the ram.
    3. For the most part, D0's overclock higher and at lower voltages than C0 chips, due to refinements in the fabrication process. Late C0 chips benefitted from the same refinements, and random other batches hit 4.0 ghz at really low volts. I have been told that some D0's do not hit 4.0, but most will do so at a lower voltage than most C0's. A D0 is a more desirable chip, but it's not a must and this guide is still useful to owners of C0's.
    4. Toms Hardware article about speed vs power consumption is flawed and based on one really terrible C0 that needed 1.5 vcore to hit 4ghz. Is a D0 at 1.2v at 4 ghz going to consume more power than a C0 at 3.6 and 1.32 volts? No. The D0 will use less. Power consumption at any given voltage will increase about 3-11 watts (avg 5 for every 100 mhz you increase). Something brough to my attention recently though is that this may differ because some chips are leakier than others. A D0 is by no means a guarantee that it will consume less power.
    5. If you want to reach higher clocks, you may need a better motherboard, cooler, chip or whatever. This guide is not for advanced overclockers.
    Key Terms and Settings Quick Guide:
    BCLK – Base Clock - This clock controls your memory speed, QPI speed, and core speed based on whatever multiples for those settings you have. It's the most important part of overclocking the Core i7. It's stock setting is 133
    Uncore – This is basically the speed of everything which isn't your core (i.e. L3 cache, IMC, etc). It should be 2x your memory speed but allows for multipliers higher than 2x as well. Stability will be greatest at 2x.
    QPI – Quickpath interconnect - It's basically the intel equivalent of AMD's hypertransport. It's how the CPU and the X58 chipset communicate. It has multipliers of 18x, 22x, and 24x. The 920 should be left at 18x creating a 9:8 ratio between the uncore and the memory multiplier assuming you use the 8x ratio, which some claim offers the greatest stability. Although people have been able to run it at all sorts of ratios.
    Memory - Memory is calculated based on either a 6x, 8x, 10x, 12x, or 14x of your base clock. I recommend 6x and 8x. Depending on your mobo bios it may be called ratio or multiplier.
    Ram Timings – This guide will only deal with the first four and the command rate. There are other guides regarding these. You can use XMP (intel's memory profile system) to have these values plugged in but it may set your QPI/uncore voltage automatically to 1.35 which may be more than you need (although it will be stable).
    Turbo mode – This enables the 21x multiplier on the chip. Most boards allow you to do this with eist disabled, but some boards require it enabled. See if a newer bios lets you change things.
    CPU Multiplier – On the 920 the range is from 12x – 21x (22x on one core when at stock speeds). It has been found that the 19x and 21x multipliers are more stable than the 20x.
    Vcore – Voltage of your cpu. See below for tweaking instructions.
    PLL – phase-locked loop – Just use the settings recommended below (1.8 – 1.88 is within specification).
    QPI/Uncore (VTT) – This voltage is the VTT although it does play a role in feeding the IMC with voltage enough to overclock your ram, the L3 cache and a number of other things (Specification is that it should be less than 1.35 but when taking droop into account you can go higher, probably 1.4 is safe. Some ram modules have XMP profiles which call for higher QPI so some will argue that this is safe. I'm not going to argue one way or the other.)
    Vdimm – Your ram voltage (Specification says 1.65 max but 1.66 is fine and so is a bit higher depending on your QPI/uncore voltage).
    Important to do before you overclock:
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    C1E – Another intel power saving technology. Disable while overclocking, enable afterwards.
    Anything Spread Spectrum – Disable it.
    PCIE frequency – Always at 100, but see FAQ questions below.
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    All other settings leave at auto unless needed for stability.
    Initial steps:
    If you've played around with any settings before reset your bios to its stock options. There's probably no need to reset your CMOS, but it can't hurt; if you don't know how to reset your CMOS then I suggest you learn to do so. It's unlikely that you will have to as most modern motherboards will usually have some sort of protection against bad overclocks and automatically allow you to reset the bios upon a bad boot.
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    From here we have a number of different methods we can try. I always change my BCLK in my bios settings so that anything set to auto will adjust itself if need be, although you are free to use whatever windows based tools you want although beware of any problems they may cause you.
    You should always set your memory to 8x or 6x depending on what you have and your uncore to 2x the memory. Leave the QPI at the lowest setting.
    Set windows not to restart on a bsod (You want to know what the error was): 
    Windows XP and Vista Directions, but it is the same for Win7.
    Method #1: Optimizing for max performance per watt.
    This method takes by far the most amount of time but for many its worth it in terms of its power efficiency.
    Begin by going into the bios and changing your voltage to your vid and setting QPI/uncore (VTT) to 1.25 (I have raised this due to concerns about droop at 1.2) and vdimm to 1.65 (Most boards can't do this; 1.66 is safe, ignore your spaz bios warnings; you are not going to explode anything, although if you do, it's not my fault. Set it to 1.64 if it helps you sleep easier. I recommend at this point to be working with either the 21x multiplier if possible in order to keep your ram as much out of the equation as possible. 20X has known problems and 19x will land you with high ram speeds quicker which will require raises in the QPI/uncore voltage sooner.
    Open up real temp and run Prime 95 with 8 threads and check stability for an hour at least (The more the better. I recommend overnight just to make sure all is good). Record your settings on a piece of paper or email them to yourself. Make sure to have Realtemp open in order to watch your temperatures. Temperatures should not exceed 80-85 during Prime. During normal use for extended periods, they should never see these kinds of temperatures. I like to keep mine below 70 for normal usage.
    After its stable go into the bios and increase the BCLK by 10 and repeat the process. Find the max BCLK for your stock vid (or any voltage, if you'd like by lowering by smaller amounts when you find an unstable clock. This will help you know what you can run at any given voltage.
    See below for known Prime 95 errors and how they relate to your settings (also some settings to try for stability). Once you get to the clocks you want, I recommend running Prime for at least 16-24 hours. I have in fact had errors in the 14th hour so it's good to know that you're truly stable.
    See also below for optimizing your ram settings.
    Method #2: Quick and dirty method for 4ghz aka screw efficiency
    Set your ioh and ich to 1.2, your vdimm to 1.65, your cpu pll to 1.88, and your QPI/uncore to 1.35.
    For D0 users set your vcore to 1.275 and for C0/C1 users set your vcore to 1.4 and BCLK to 190/191 or 210/211 and multiplier to 21 and 19 respectively. Check for Prime stability. D0's should be fine, but C0/C1 still may not make it, at this point your temps may be too high if you're not on water, so I suggest you start working backward in order to hit a much lower vcore or use method 3.
    Method #3: Quick and dirty vcore boosting.
    Set your ioh and ich to 1.2, your vdimm to 1.65, your cpu pll to 1.88, and your QPI/uncore to 1.35. Set BCLK to 190/191 or 210/211 and multiplier to 21 and 19 respectively.
    The D0 chip usually hits 4.0 in the vcore range of 1.175 and 1.25. Try those voltages until you find whats right for your chip.
    The C0/C1 is a much more difficult beast with a much larger range of 1.27 to around 1.4 and up to 1.5 (Do not attempt on air unless you live somewhere really, really cold). Some may not hit 4ghz at all.
    This method is more difficult as some chips may not boot until you give them the proper vcore
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    Open up Prime95 and Realtemp to check your idles and loads. Set Prime95 to whatever priority you'd like. I prefer 4 or 7 so that realtemp still updates but some people prefer 10 and will run without a temperature monitor. Either is fine, but I'm always paranoid that my cooler will somehow become unlatched spontaneously. Set windows not to restart on bluescreen by setting [insert settings here] so that you can catch the error (although windows will record it somewhere). Start a mixed torture test and let it run for however long, depending on if you're only doing a temporary stability test in order to raise (about 1 hour) or a true stability test (16-24 hours). Once you've passed Prime95 you can run any other stability test that you want.
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    Freeze: Increase the vcore
    Other errors can indicate instability with the chip if they are during small fft (increase vcore by .125) or instability with ram large ftt (Try raising the ioh and/or running memtest).
    BSOD code 101: Increase the vcore. I recommend increasing by +.025 if you get a bsod
    BSOD code 124: Increasese or decrease the QPI/uncore by .25. Depending on where you are in your stability tests you'll probably need to increase it. 1.375 is the max I'm comfortable with although people say 1.4+ is safe. This is for you to determine and research. Don't do anything you're not comfortable with. Intel says do not go above 1.35 so 1.375 with droop and loss is safe and not too far outside specification.
    It is important to note that sometimes QPI can be too high and that might cause this code. That's why it's not a good idea to just set things to 1.35 and hope for the best. If you find that increasing QPI/uncore voltage is not increasing stability, try decreasing it. Just remember of course, to keep track of your settings. I recommend not increasing, unless you have to (Don't be arbitrary about it).
    D0 exclusive BSOD weird 2 letter/number codes: Treat this as a 101 and increase vcore by +.025. Update: It seems that these error codes can crop up for other reasons. Depending on where you are in the process you should take a look at your other voltages. I realize this is vague, but you may need to experiment.
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    Optimizing ram with memtest86+:
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    1. Lowering voltage. Run memtest86 for 20 minutes, if you get errors, stay where you are. Otherwise lower the vdimm by .02 and repeat until you get an error within 20 minutes. Then run it overnight.
    2. Overclocking. You may be able to run your ram faster than you thought. Loosen the timings(make them higher) and then increase BCLK. You can optimize your voltage with the above number one. Depending on the ram, you may be able to overclock quite a bit or not at all. Running your ram at anything above 1066 is in fact overclocking the IMC.
    3. Tightening timings. Timings should be decreased as such. Assuming you begin with 9-9-9 your next step should be 9-9-8 then 9-8-8 then 8-8-8. You can also try 8-9-8 but this is going to depend on your memory. You may need to raise voltages to tighten the timings.
    The usefulness of overclocking your ram is limited. See the useful links sections below to see how certain ram settings will impact your real life performance.
    Frequently asked questions:
    Q: I can't raise my BCLK over some number. How do I fix it? What's the deal?
    A: Not all chips and motherboards are made the same. You can try playing around with voltage amplitude, pll, skew or pcie (pcie is probably best not raised as it can cause damage). This is a question that is better asked on a thread dedicated to a specific board. You may end up being out of luck.
    Q: What are safe voltages?
    A: According to Intel or common knowledge the following are the safe air temperatures:
    Vcore: ~1.4
    QPI/uncore (VTT): 1.35
    PLL: 1.88
    Vdimm:~1.65 (Some will say that you are safe within .5 of your QPI/uncore allowing for a max of 1.85 on vdimm. See the link to the xtreme systems forum below on this subject for a long thread).
    IOH: Less than 1.3
    ICH: Less than 1.3
    Q: My chip is too hot before I can reach 4 ghz. What can I do?
    A: Disable hyperthreading or buy a better cooler (Noctua, TRUE or Megahalems recommended).
    Q: But don't I want hyperthreading?
    A: It's certainly nice to have a feature you paid for, but it sometimes decreases performance and it definitely causes a lot of heat. It's up to you.
    Q: How do I go past 4ghz?
    A: Same way as you got there in the first place. Just keep increasing BCLK. Past this point though it's up to you to do some research on your own.
    Q: What is this multiplier throttling I've heard about?
    A: Some boards will throttle down the 21x multiplier if the wattage becomes too high. The culprits without public fixes are the Asus P6T Deluxe and vanilla (The Deluxe v1 has a bios available on the xtremesystems forum which can be crossflashed onto the v2 which will fix this problem) It really only becomes a problem at high voltages with high frequencies. Other boards have ways of disabling it.
    Q: Why would I want to optimize my voltages?
    A: Save money on power bills and leave more wattage for other devices.
    Q: My chip was stable for X amount of time and now it's not?
    A: Have you added any hardware? How are your temperatures? High voltages and high temps can cause decay and make the chip require more voltage for an overclock. It may also be that your PSU is starting to go or maybe your motherboard is. Do your best to troubleshoot this.
    Q: My temperatures seem really high? Is X degrees ok?
    A: A better question is whether or not you are ok with X degrees. How long do you plan to won this chip? What are your ambients? If your house is 40 degrees centigrade, don't expect your chip to drop below that unless you are using extreme cooling (also try to move somewhere cooler cause that's really hot or get some AC, are you trying to cook yourself?). A cpu well taken care of can last over a decade when run within spec. How long do you really think you're going to keep this chip? A rule of thumb I go by is never push a part that I can't afford to replace if I break it (I do this anyway, but its a good rule nonetheless). Your temps will always get higher than normal when stress testing so do some normal stuff to see if your temperatures are acceptable. Try backing down a bit if you are unhappy.
    Q: I heard this will work or this needs to be this way?
    A: Try it. This is a general guide, not a set of hard and fast rules.
    Q: My computer restarted while priming; how do I find out the error?
    A: If you haven't already, disable bsod restarts in windows. Sometimes, though, it decides to restart anyway.
    Open Computer Management by right-clicking the Computer icon on the start menu (or on the Desktop if you have it enabled) and select Manage. Navigate to the Event Viewer. Note: If you did not disable UAC then you will be prompted to consent to the action you're about to perform. Click Continue. Note: You can also open the Event Viewer by typing Event Viewer in the Search box and pressing Enter, or typing eventvwr.msc in the Run command.
    Also check the results.txt in your Prime95 folder for a log of when it ultimately crashed and what it was doing at the time.
    Q: Whats the deal with PCIE frequency? Can it help break my BCLK wall?
    A: Yes, but I advise caution. Raising this too much can damage things running on the pcie bus or cause them to not work. I would not raise it personally more than a few mhz. You are probably safe at 103, but I take no responsibility of course.
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    IOH: 1.2+
    ICH: 1.2
    CPU voltage amplitude: +800mv
    CPU Skew: +300ps
    Command rate: change from 1n to 2n
    You should really check in on your specific board as not all boards have the same settings. Be methodical in testing settings since you want to know whether something helped or hurt by itself before you combine.
    Useful Links:
    http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/538439-guide-overclocking-core-i7-920-4-a.html
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    QPI/Uncore voltage (XS) (Do not take this as gospel try to stay in spec unless you feel like really pushing things)
    Info on multiplier throttling (XS)
    Memory Scaling on the Core I7

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    If you're new to Arch don't you think that sticking to basic bulletproof setup would be wise and then learn new stuff? If you try all things that are not necessary there is high risk of breaking system and you wont even have a clue where start to look for solution. Back in my first days with Arch I didn't even consider such things like mirror rank - goal was to setup working system. My advice is - choose manually mirror that have low sync delay from http://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/ and focus on major things. Good luck and feel welcome on the forum
    EdTheUniqueGeek wrote:I am in the process I trying the shell script from adamrehard suggestion.
    Again - pick rit or kernel.org mirror - you can be pretty sure they are working right now, for troubleshooting you can even choose archlinux.org (but change it for real usage) find out if it's not the http/ftp thing like people earlier noticed and work the problem with your configuration, the problem is not mirror choosing
    Last edited by masteryod (2012-04-27 14:53:33)

  • Total beginners guide

    I am interested in SAP BI and installed the trial version of Netweaver 2004s with BI.
    I wanted to play a bit around with info cubes etc and see what SAP BI can do. But I am already stuck at a very beginners point: no logical system
    And the standard users ddic etc do not have the privileges to create on.
    Is there somewhere a beginners guide to SAP in general and SAP BI in special?
    A quick how-to for a quick success and merely for try-out!
    Thanks in advance for your help,
    Karsten.

    There is a lot of documentation on SDN, Please go through these presentations & screencams which will give you clear idea of NW 2004s...
    https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/developerareas/bi?rid=/webcontent/uuid/e78a5148-0701-0010-7da9-a6c721c6112e

  • [SOLVED] Configure The System (Beginners Guide) Question

    Hello!
    I'm currently working my way through the beginners guide, from the wiki.  All going ok so far and I've reached the Configure The System section. Which is where I'm a bit stuck.
    Beginners Guide wrote:You will be presented with a menu including the most important configuration files for your system. If you want to look up the available options as stated in /etc/rc.conf just press Alt+F2 to get a shell, look it up, and switch back to the installer with Alt+F1.
    The problem I have is looking up the available options. For example, to find my locale it states I should run locale -a, however when I hit Alt+f2 and enter the command at the bash shell ([Arch Linux: /]# ) I get the following error
    -bash: locale: command not found
    When I attempt to lookup other items I'm also unable to find those (such as timezone in /usr/share/zoneinfo).
    Can anyone let me know what I'm doing wrong, I'm missing something very obvious here, but sadly I just can't work it out!
    Last edited by Laatia (2008-03-23 08:56:38)

    dyscoria wrote:
    I wouldn't skip all of the steps, particularly adding your hostname to /etc/hosts. Just fill in as much as you can, and edit the rest after you've finished installing, though I think the defaults are safe enough to have a running system.
    If you typed in 'km' and chose your locale before you ran the /arch/setup command to start the installation, it should automatically enter in the locale you selected earlier (if you press yes in the dialog box that pops up).
    Confirm this as that's what happended in this location on 2 recent install.

  • [Solved] Mounting Partitions from Beginners Guide

    Hi everyone. I've setup Arch before, but I see that the installer has been removed. I had a question on some of the documentation from the Beginners Guide...
    From the section "Prepare the storage drive" it states to setup the partitions like so:
    Name Flags Part Type FS Type [Label] Size (MB)
    sda1 Boot Primary Linux 15440
    sda2 Primary Linux swap / Solaris 1024
    sda3 Primary Linux 133000*
    In the section below it ("Mount the partitions ") it explains to "mount any other separate partition" like so:
    # mkdir /mnt/home
    # mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/home
    # mkdir /mnt/boot
    # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
    However, I set my partitions up just how it was above, when I put in the syntax "mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/home" I receive an error that sda4 doesn't exist. Using my best judgement I put in "mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/home" as I set my partitions exactly the way from the storage drive section (minus some storage space for sda3). I'd just like to be sure that I set this up right and not doing anything extremely wrong. For some reason, Arch won't boot after I have the system setup in virtualbox, and I'm trying to narrow down the issue.
    Thanks.
    Last edited by Quill (2012-09-01 04:16:22)

    Trilby wrote:
    It says to do that if you have any additional partitions.  You do not.
    Sda3 should not be mounted as home, it should be your root partition right?  You should have already done
    mount /dev/sda3 /mnt
    You should not remount sda3 as something else (in fact I suspect it should give an error).
    That partition scheme does not have a separate home parition.
    Cool, thanks for the info. Yeah, sda3 is set as my root partition. It's solved.

  • Intepreting the beginners guide on UEFI

    hi..
    perhaps someone could clarify for me the meaning on the following text on the beginners guide.
    under Gumminboot instructions it states:
    You will need to manually create a configuration file to add an entry for Arch Linux to the gummiboot manager. Create /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf and add the following contents, replacing /dev/sdaX with your root partition, usually /dev/sda2:
    followed by the command line:
    # nano /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf
    followed by the text:
    title          Arch Linux
    linux          /vmlinuz-linux
    initrd         /initramfs-linux.img
    options        root=/dev/sdaX rw
    Am I meant to write the above four lines into the menu/screen that opens?
    I suspect there may have been an earlier instances where the same 'instruction' was given but as it's not implicit .. it wasn't done.
    similarly I get the following error message on attempting to install gummiboot
    File System /boot is not a fat EFI system Partition (ESP) file system.
    Now I have windows 8 and lubuntu currently installed and they were loading prior to start of this Arch install from a Fat 32 drive labelled /boot/efi.
    I wasn't however sure (as the instruction wasn't clear in the installation guide) but was I meant to format a new efi boot or just mount the existing..
    I mounted the existing as I was assuming that the ESP is basically a list of boot loaders and I didn't want to lose the win8 just yet.
    anymore useful suggestions?
    regards
    malcolm
    I further suspect that this install isn't going too well....
    regards

    with respect any installation I do is only as good as the tutorial I am using. I have in the past installed moderately complex set ups only 6-12 months later unable to repeat the exercise because the same tutorial is not available. and therein lies the problem.. I like many perform installations at this depth too infrequently to retain the method and thus rely entirely on tutorials.
    However the real problem is the 'black box' the bios has become as a consequence of UEFI.. and that's down to a complete lack of documentation (not a linux issue but a PC manufacturers or a failure of to provide documentation) ... one is extremely cautious to do anything that might corrupt the UEFI and require a back to base exercise for the electric brick that might result.
    With that in mind I rebooted the PC and whilst no Arch both the win8 and lubuntu partitions and bootloaders were unaffected.. so at least I can repeat my errors to date without destroying my machine (assuming that's possible)...
    we will get there in the end and whilst it may not be the walk in the park I'd like it to be .. I will hopefully get a linux OS running that uses all the hardware available and has just the nec configuration to run the programs and local server set up I want...
    back to square one in the morning...

  • Suggested edit to the Beginners Guide.

    I tried to edit the Beginners guide but don't have permission.
    The section headed 'Manual connection at boot using systemd' [1] is now a dead link, it should point to the new systemd-networkd way of doing things [2].
    Does anyone with permission fancy makng the edit?
    [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Be … #Static_IP
    [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ne … d-networkd
    Last edited by slithery (2014-03-07 15:18:38)

    kynikos wrote:In think slithery tried to edit the Beginners' Guide article itself, which is indeed protected, but because it's only a meta-article that transcludes 3 sub-articles with the real content: Beginners' Guide/Preparation, Beginners' Guide/Installation and Beginners' Guide/Post-installation; these are the articles that users are supposed to edit.
    I too discovered this the hard way...

  • Promote unetbootin on the beginners guide?

    Hi All,
    In the beginners guide, there are instructions to make a bootable USB drive.
    http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beg … #USB_stick
    Would it be a good idea to add instructions for unetbootin?
    http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
    The only problem I have encountered using unetbootin is that it has an outdated version of arch in it's distribusion list:
    https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/318724
    The work around is to download the .iso file manually and feed it to unetbootin.
    Sorry for my language, I'm tired
    Best regards,
    Cedric

    karol wrote:http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tal … Unetbootin
    Strange, I have installed arch just fine using netbootin and an iso image.
    I will test and report back.
    Anyway, I think we better fix the issue than removing netbootin, it's a good way to make a bootable usb drive
    Regards,
    Cedric

  • Beginners guide to PowerPivot data models

    Hi,
    I've been using PowerPivot for a little while now but have finally given into the fact that my lack of knowledge about data modelling is causing me all kinds of problems.
    I'm looking for recommendations on where I should start learning about data modelling for Powerpivot (and other software e.g. Tablea, Chartio etc). By data modelling I mean how I should best organise all the data that I want to analyse which is coming fomr
    multiple sources. In my case my primary sources right now are:
    Our main MySQL database
    Google Analytics Data
    Google Adwords data
    MailChimp data
    Various excels
    I have bought two books - "Dax Formulas for PowerPivot" which is great but sparse on data modelling information and "Microsoft Excel 2013 - Building Data Models with PowerPivot" which looks excellent but starts of at I believe too advanced
    a level.
    Where should a beginner with no experience of data modelling, but intermediate/advanced experience of Excel go to learn skills for PowerPivot Data modelling?
    By far the main issues is that our MySQL databases are expansive and include hundreds of tables across multiple databases and we need to be able to utilise data from all of them. I imagine that I somehow need to come up with a intermediary layer between
    the Databases and Powerpivot which extracts and flattens the main data into fewer more important tables, but would have no idea how to do this.
    Also to be clear, I am not looking at ways of modelling the MySQL database itself - our developers are happy with the database relationships etc, it just the modelling of that data within PowerPivot and how to best import that data.
    Recommendations would be absolutely brilliant, its a fantastic product but right now I'm struggling to make the most of it.

    Thanks for the recommendations, I am aware of the last two of those and
    http://www.powerpivotpro.com/ in particular has proved very useful (TechNet less so). 
    I will take a look at SQLBI in more detail but from a very casual browse it seems like this too is targeted more at experienced users. There paid courses may definitely prove useful though.
    I think what I'm getting at is that there are probably an increasing number of people like myself who have fallen into PowerPivot without a traditional background in databases and data modelling. In my case I have a small business of
    15 employees and we were using Excel and PivotTables to do some basic analysis before soon discovering that our data was too complicated and that I needed something. PowerPivot definitely seems to solve that issue and I'm having much
    better success now than I was without. I also feel quite competent with DAX and actually building tables from the PowerPivot data model.
    What I'm lacking in is the very first step of cleaning and preparing raw data for import and then importing it into Powerpivot and setting up a efficient model. I have to be honest that your links above did bring
    PowerQuery to my attention and it seems like a brilliant tool and one of the missing links. I would however still like to see a beginners guide to data import and model set-up as I don't think I've yet come across one either in book or
    online form which explains the fundamentals well.
     

  • Beginners Guide

    Hi all!
    First off, I'd like to congratulate the Arch team on doing a superb job in creating this distribution.
    I've installed Archlinux for the first time following the Beginners Guide and thought it might be helpful to point out a few mistakes (to me its a mistake - if not - then I'm sorry)
    In section 2.4 - documentation it says
    Change to vc/2 with <ALT>+F1 and invoke /usr/bin/less
    I believe it should have read
    Change to vc/2 with <ALT>+F1 and invoke /bin/less
    basically - take out "/usr" part.
    In section 2.10.4 - /etc/fstab where it gives you the code to list partitions by uuid
    As per the documentation - it gives
    ls -lF /dev/disk/by-uuid/
    to me - it should have said
    ls -lF /dev/disk/by-id
    That's it!  Other than the above - excellent documentation and I look forward to learning more and hopefully be able to contribute to Arch by helping others.
    Crackerjack

    Duologic wrote:crackerjack: I think it was with ALT + F2, and if you think there is a mistake in the guide, then edit it on the wiki. :-)
    I don't think beginners should be encouraged to change the Beginners Guide before the "mistake" has been confirmed by other users. I think crackerjack's idea to double-check first on the forum is a very sensible idea.
    Let us not forget this incident either.

  • Beginners Guide Improvement

    I just installed Archlinux and stumbled over two issues following the Beginners Guide.
    No big deal, but still worth to mention, i think.
    I don't feel comfortable as a new user to edit the Beginners Guide myself and therefore
    discuss these issues here first.
    I did read the Beginners Guide while installing. When it came to configure the Xserver,
    i chose the Nvidia driver and configured it immediadiately. It complaint that there was
    no xorg.conf. The xorg.conf will be generated later, following the tutorial. I think this
    should be rearranged somehow.
    The second issue is that after executing nvidia-xconfig, it suggests to start the xserver
    to see if everything works properly, which it didn't, because hal wasn't installed nor
    configured yet, follwing the Beginners Guide. This let me to fiddle around with it a bit
    and several annoying restarts, before i decided to just go on with the Guide, to find
    a good reason why it didn't just worked then. I think there should be a warning not
    to start X after nvidia-xconfig.

    MickeyKnox wrote:
    I just installed Archlinux and stumbled over two issues following the Beginners Guide.
    No big deal, but still worth to mention, i think.
    I don't feel comfortable as a new user to edit the Beginners Guide myself and therefore
    discuss these issues here first.
    I did read the Beginners Guide while installing. When it came to configure the Xserver,
    i chose the Nvidia driver and configured it immediadiately.
    Could you explain this further?
    It complaint that there was
    no xorg.conf. The xorg.conf will be generated later, following the tutorial.
    It sounds like you failed to follow the guide, but I am having a difficult time understanding what you want changed. If you followed the order of the guide, wouldn't it have worked out properly?
    The second issue is that after executing nvidia-xconfig, it suggests to start the xserver
    to see if everything works properly, which it didn't, because hal wasn't installed nor
    configured yet, follwing the Beginners Guide. This let me to fiddle around with it a bit
    and several annoying restarts, before i decided to just go on with the Guide, to find
    a good reason why it didn't just worked then. I think there should be a warning not
    to start X after nvidia-xconfig.
    Perhaps a note, explaining not to test the server at that point would be appropriate.

  • Beginners Guide handbook

    I have created a handbook/booklet with the Beginners Guide, in a much more readable format instead of messy paragraphs and links when it is printed out normally. I will be selling them in my shop, Software Care (see my sig) for £1.99 + P&P.
    See
    http://shop.archux.com/content/arch-lin … ners-guide
    For more information.

    Cool
    Perhaps keep a link there to the "oldversion" page of the Beginner's Guide that you will be buying? After all, it will get outdated.

  • Beginners Guide sound installation -- OSS and ALSA objective features

    Beginners Guide sound installation -- OSS and ALSA objective features needed
    Hi,
    In most wiki pages i just edit the things that i think need editing. Just look at the oss history
    In all those cases i didn't really saw a need to ask for permission.. that would kinda destroy the wiki idea.
    However i want to change the sound instructions in the beginners guide so i made a copy of the entire guide and the part that i changed there is: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Use … ling_Sound now i have a slight issue there. As you can see i'm in favor of OSS and because you can spot that it's not objective. Now i would ask 2 things.
    1. Could you all post your features of OSS and ALSA
    2. Once that's done can i have permission to place that section in the beginners guide? that will also include removing the sound installation from the beginners guide which i already did in my version
    My personal reason to do this. i've read this  and am since then pro OSS and against the ALSA/PulseAudio combo. i think that combo needs to get out of linux (most notably Fedora and Ubuntu) ASAP. and oss needs to go back into the linux kernel
    Thank you for your time,
    Mark

    ngoonee wrote:
    I'm an alsa/pulse user, so I'll give a bit of the 'other side'.
    Alsa/pulse
    Pros:-
    network sound
    advanced connection of sink/source (including merging sinks)
    bluetooth support!
    highly supported by existing apps, either through directly supporting Pulse or through its alsa plugin (you should not need to recompile properly-written apps which do not assume they should write audio data directly to hardware, I think I only needed to recompile mpd on my system)
    Cons:-
    Setup isn't the easiest. Can't comment vs OSS4 because I haven't tried it
    OSS4
    Pros:-
    Everyone seems to say sound quality is better. I guess that's because they're comparing it with dmix alsa. Use pulse with alsa and you should not notice any difference in sound quality though.
    Cons:-
    Most apps nowadays default output to alsa. Meaning OSS plays them using an alsa plugin.
    USB support is admittedly skimpy.
    EDIT: Having read the sound article you referred to, my only comment is that the writer really has it in for Pulse... 3 seconds latency, where'd he get that from? I use pulse for audio recording (when I'm lazy to fire up JACK) and while there IS latency, its definitely in the ms range.
    Thanx for the input
    Gen2ly wrote:
    Gen2ly wrote:...As a side note, do you need libflashsupport here???...
    markg85, libflashsupport isn't needed. [1]
    pacman -Ql oss | grep flash
    If you don't know, please don't put in wiki, this could cause unnecessary problems.  As for the mms section:
    If your stream sounds ugly in totem like it did with me then you could try to play it with another codec like ffmpeg (mplayer). That "fixed" the issue for me. This will not fix the issue that somehow pops up in gstreamer when playing MMS streams but it will give you the option to play it with good sound quality. Playing it in mplayer is simple:
    # mplayer mmsh://yourstreamurl
    Could you fix this?  ffmpeg is not a codec .  Also define ugly, and what is somehow?
    markg85 wrote:Thanx a lot for your feedback. i will certainly use it when i make more edits.
    As for the things you didn't know. As soon as i fully understand how i can get a microphone working in OSS i will add that to the wiki as well. Unless you already know it.. in that case, feel free to add it.
    For the mic, I did get mine going.  Can't remember just how I did mine (sorry, think I had to disable one of the inputs),  but do remember to prevent it from passing through the speakers had to disable "Misc Microphone".
    # ossmix
    Selected mixer 0/High Definition Audio ALC888
    Known controls are:
    jack.green.mode <front|rear|center/LFE|side|pcm4|input> (currently front)
    jack.green [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 29.9:29.9 dB)
    jack.green.mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    jack.black.mode <front|rear|center/LFE|side|pcm4|input> (currently center/LFE)
    jack.black [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 29.9:29.9 dB)
    jack.black.mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    jack.orange.mode <front|rear|center/LFE|side|pcm4|input> (currently rear)
    jack.orange [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 29.9:29.9 dB)
    jack.orange.mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    jack.gray.mode <front|rear|center/LFE|side|pcm4|input> (currently pcm4)
    jack.gray [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 29.9:29.9 dB)
    jack.gray.mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    jack.pink.mode <front|rear|center/LFE|side|pcm4|input> (currently input)
    jack.pink [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 19.9:19.9 dB)
    jack.pink.mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    jack.fp-pink.mode <front|rear|center/LFE|side|pcm4|input> (currently front)
    jack.fp-pink [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 29.9:29.9 dB)
    jack.fp-pink.mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    jack.blue.mode <front|rear|center/LFE|side|pcm4|input> (currently input)
    jack.blue [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 29.9:29.9 dB)
    jack.blue.mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    jack.fp-green.mode <front|rear|center/LFE|side|pcm4|input> (currently front)
    jack.fp-green [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 29.9:29.9 dB)
    jack.fp-green.mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.mic1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.fp-mic1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.linein1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.fp-headphone1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.green1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.black1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.orange1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.gray1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.input-mix1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix1 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 38.9:38.9 dB)
    record.mix.mute.mic2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.fp-mic2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.linein2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.fp-headphone2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.green2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.black2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.orange2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.gray2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix.mute.input-mix2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    record.mix2 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 4.4:2.9 dB)
    misc.mic [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 0.0:0.0 dB)
    misc.fp-mic [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 46.4:37.4 dB)
    misc.linein [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 38.9:38.9 dB)
    misc.fp-headphone [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 34.4:34.4 dB)
    misc.green [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 34.4:38.9 dB)
    misc.black [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 38.9:38.9 dB)
    misc.orange [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 38.9:38.9 dB)
    misc.gray [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 40.4:41.9 dB)
    misc.input-mix <mic|fp-mic|linein> (currently mic)
    misc.front-mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.input-mix-mute1 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.front1 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 43.4:43.4 dB)
    misc.front2 <front|input-mix> (currently front)
    misc.rear-mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.input-mix-mute2 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.rear1 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 4.4:4.4 dB)
    misc.rear2 <rear|input-mix> (currently rear)
    misc.center/lfe-mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.input-mix-mute3 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.center/lfe1 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 41.9:41.9 dB)
    misc.center/lfe2 <center/LFE|input-mix> (currently center/LFE)
    misc.side-mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.input-mix-mute4 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.side1 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 35.9:35.9 dB)
    misc.side2 <side|input-mix> (currently side)
    misc.pcm4-mute ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.input-mix-mute5 ON|OFF (currently OFF)
    misc.pcm41 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 25.4:25.4 dB)
    misc.pcm42 <pcm4|input-mix> (currently pcm4)
    vmix0-enable ON|OFF (currently ON)
    vmix0-rate <decimal value> (currently 48000) (Read-only)
    vmix0-channels <Stereo|Multich> (currently Stereo)
    vmix0-src <Fast|Low|Medium|High|High+|Production|OFF> (currently Medium)
    vmix0-outvol <monovol> (currently 25.0 dB)
    vmix0-invol <monovol> (currently 25.0 dB)
    vmix0.pcm8 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 19.9:19.9 dB) ("knotify4")
    vmix0.pcm9 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 25.0:25.0 dB)
    vmix0.pcm10 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 25.0:25.0 dB)
    vmix0.pcm11 [<leftvol>:<rightvol>] (currently 25.0:25.0 dB)
    For libflashsupport on the same page you linked it clearly states:
    #  Flash V9 and V10 require libflashsupport to output sound via OSS. Typically a 32-bit version of the library is required.
    # Flash V10 has a 64-bit version which requires a 64 bit libflashsupport.
    Also i tested it with and without libflashsupport. On archlinux (x64 running here) there most certainly is a need for libflashsupport when you want to have sound in your flash. And yes i tested the archlinux OSS version and the mercurial version (running now) bith need it  installed manually! On my pc sound in flash didn't work without it but did with it. So, no not removing from the wiki as it's needed. But i see you removed it for me! please do NOT do that if you didn't even verified it. I use flash 10 x64 and i need it!
    As for the ffmpeg "codec" changed it to backend.
    And i did get the microphone working near perfect: http://www.4front-tech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13192
    Now for some news you all might like.
    On my school i need to do an investigation to whatever i want and i'm heavily thinking about investigating the pros/cons of alsa compared to oss (or oss compared to alsa). That investigation will take from monday next week till next mondey till friday 23 of oktober. In that investigation i'm going to do some in depth look of alsa and oss and that will include the usability as well.
    Following up on that investigation i will spend another 8 weeks on my school making a volume control application that can be used with alsa and oss and easily expandable with other sound systems. The goal of this is to make one sound application that can manage (in the first place) alsa and oss. oss is going to be implemented and alsa is probably going to be dummy implemented because it's likely way to much for me to implement both.
    Before you get to exited, both projects (investigating and making the application) are just made up today and i just don't know if both will get accepted by my school. I asked one teacher and he liked the idea a lot and could potentially have a value for the sound management under linux. Once i do get this started i will involve the community (YOU!) with this since this project can't be done without the community specially the investigation.
    And once i start and have something to tell/ask i will blog about it on http://blog.mageprojects.com
    edit::
    And this idea already got dumped. read more a few posts down or click: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 34#p612634
    Last edited by markg85 (2009-09-03 17:51:45)

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