Beige G3 Hard Drive

I recently purchased a Western Digital 80 gig drive (ide) for my 300 mhz beige G3. The 6 gig jyst wasn't cutting it! It intialized fine & I was able to rename it but now it won't show up anymore & says it's no longer supported. Any ideas/advice?
Is there a certain brand/model of drive that will work better?
Cheers on any feedback.

First partition must be the UNDER 8 GB partition, so that the addresses of every block of that partition are under the 8 GB boundary. That is where you will install Mac OS X.
The second partition can be the whole rest of the drive. This is where you should install OS 9.2, to be used as Classic and to boot directly for troubleshooting. The second partition will appear as a second Volume on the Desktop, as if you had two Hard Drives in your Mac. I recommend you do this before you attempt to install Mac OS X.
Some users swear by having another small partition somewhere to hold a copy of their OS X files in case the original OS X image gets damaged. You cannot copy OS X with the Finder, because there are zillions of invisible files the Finder can't copy, but there are Utilities that can "clone" it back and forth to another partition -- "Carbon Copy Cloner" and "Super Duper" are well-regarded. There may be a small charge to download one or both of them.
Be sure to choose HFS+ Extended, not plain HFS.

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Beige G3 Hard Drive Slave IDE cable problem

I have an old beige G3 and have a 20GB Western Digital hard drive I’ve initialized and want to add as a slave. The problem is that while I have the required extra power out for the third 5.25” bay, there’s nowhere for me to connect into the IDE cable. The cable seems to be 1 female connector short. Is this something that was stock? I can deinstall the ZIP drive installed in the third bay, but I’d rather keep the whole thing intact if I can.
Am I going to have to add an IDE/SCSI PCI card? If so, do you have any recommendations? How would adding a card affect the existing SCSI chain? Also, is this sort of a change going to have any negative effects on the power supply, and is an addition like a slave HD recommended for an old beige from this point of view?
Beige G3 Mac OS 9.2.x 400Mhz, Radeon 7000
Beige G3 Server Mac OS 9.2.x 400Mhz, Radeon 7000

"Am I going to have to add an IDE/SCSI PCI card? If so, do you have any recommendations? How would adding a card affect the existing SCSI chain?"
Your G3 natively supports IDE/ATA/ATAPI devices, having two ATA channels to do so. There is also an onboard SCSI-1 bus (max. 5 MB/sec), for connection of external/internal SCSI devices. Your profile info indicates the G3 Server, so you'd likely have an Ultra-SCSI PCI card and hard drive, if the hard drive is a SCSI device. The CD-ROM and Zip drives undoubtedly share one of the ATA channels. If that's the case, you still have an extra ATA channel for connection of extra IDE/ATAPI drives. What does the Apple System Profiler ("Devices and Volumes") indicate about the type(s) of installed drives? If your existing hard drive is connected to one of the ATA channels, you can configure dual drives as master/slave on that channel, provided that your G3 has a ROM revision $77D.45F1 or $77D.45F2
Assuming that you have the mini-tower model, the lone IDE hard drive in the top of the chassis usually has the single device OEM ribbon cable attached to it. If you want to connect a second drive as slave on the same ATA channel, you'll need a 24" (no longer) ribbon cable with connectors for both drives. The 24" cable has adequate separation between the drive connectors, enabling connection to each. Several years ago, I bought four of these ribbon cables (40-conductor, 24") from Radio Shack, but I don't even know if they still carry that item in their stores today. A PC store should have them. You can't use the newer 80-conductor Ultra-ATA ribbon cables, because they're typically only 18" long, and that's not long enough. Cables longer than 24" are prone to causing data corruption, so avoid them. For ease of connection, you may have to move the CD-ROM and Zip drives down one bay each, and install the slave hard drive in the bay formerly occupied by the CD-ROM drive.

Problem Beige G3 Reformat Hard Drive Failed

Planning to donate computer to Charity.
Problem:
Inserted Disk OS 10.1 in disk drive to erase and reformat internal hard drive. OS 10 Installer appeared on monitor but just in the Menu no installer window. I could open the menus but I could not open DiskUtility or anything else. The apple menu looked like the normal Apple Menu which seemed strange the monitor screen was blue not the CD background. I restarted the Mac and it opened with the Mac icon flashing (?) so I thought I can reformat using OS 9 CD. I started the Mac with the OS 9 installation disk and it opened from the disk correctly but the curser froze in upper left corner. The Hard Drive window was open and highlighted and I could use the ADB keyboard to move up and down the list using the up or down arrow. Finally the optical mouse light went out, connected another optical mouse from another Mac the light came on. I have that mouse connected to my G4 and it works fine on this Mac. I tried to startup with TechTool Pro but it would not open at all. I connected a USB Keyboard to the USB card and could not repeat the arrow action that I could using the ADB keyboard. Now many things come to mind: Bad USB card, Operating System corrupted, Hard drive corrupted, Bad CD drive, or a 10 year old computer wearing out. My only concern is that the hard drive is a 4.1 GD drive has mostly OS and applications but some personal information like resumes and could have other personal data that was in the trash that would not empty saying that I did not have privileges. Anyone know how degauss the hard drive when erasing or reformatting fails.
Old Jarhead

Photogirl001:
Welcome to Apple Discussions.
Download the PowerMac G3 Desktop Service manual here, go to the take apart section and review the directions. Post back with questions, if any.
cornelius

How do I transfer iphoto library to external hard drive keeping events intact?

Had a one to one session but forgot how to do this. I would like to transfer my iphoto library to an external hard drive keeping the folders and events intact. I figured out how to send all my photos to the hard drive but they all transfer in single images, if that makes sense, and then i have to go thru all of the 15,000 images by hand and sort them into folders. Ahhhhhhh!
When they showed me how to do this at apple I am able to open my external hard drive and see a folder labled 'iphotolibrary" and I am able to click it open and then all my events show up just like in iphoto library.
Also does your iphoto library "Trash" take up space on your HD? Forgve me if thats a dumb question but I am kind of a computer "dummy".
thanks so much. My hard drive has VERY little space left on it so I need to transfer ASAP.

I just posted this to another topic, but it applies here as well. Hopefully there's no prohibition on cross-posting on this board, my apologies to all if there is:
"I haven't read the whole thread, so someone could have already mentioned this, but I did the same thing, move my music library to an external drive. The Help articles are helpful, but only up to a point. When that didn't work, I called up AppleCare support up, and they took me through all the standard steps, and got stumped at the same point I did. Finally she suggested trying something, and that ended up doing the trick. So here in brief is what you do:
1) Copy over your "iTunes Music" folder to the external hard drive
2) Go into Advanced preferences to have iTunes look for the "iTunes Music" folder in the new location. If you're like me, your music won't appear in the Library.
3) In iTunes, go to the Library window (which is probably blank), then in a Finder window, find the icon for the "iTunes Music" folder in the new location. Drag that icon onto the Library window.
You should now see a progress window pop up showing all the songs that it's populating the Library window with."
20" Intel iMac 14" iBook G4, 233 MHz Beige G3 Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Can't boot up - damaged hard drive?

I've put all info here so hope it helps - 3 questions at bottom.
My system:
iMac G4 800MHz 80GB HD can't remember how much RAM but I think I'd put the max possible in it.
Mac os: 10.4.11
partitioned for 0SX and classic 9.9.2 (approx split 90%/10%)
The problem and what I've done so far:
The machine was running slow, then kept hanging. I checked and there was only 3GB free space so started to clear out some files (removing document files and Quicktime as I was going to reinstall it due to an error I'd received trying to open a movie file). The machine then either got stuck in a loop or hung trying to empty wastebasket. I moved some files from wastebasket to the desktop and moved a few at a time to wastebasket and emptied. Then it kept freezing, and I kept having to force a shutdown by pressing the power key for a few seconds.
During all of the above there was no (and thinking about it there hasn't been for a while now) startup chime.
I tried normal and safe boots and then reset the PRAM. Then it chimed on startup but wouldn't startup.
I've tried starting up from the original OSX10.2 disks supplied with the mac and a OSX10.4.3 disk. Only the latter will boot but only occasionally when holding down the C key on startup. If it does boot up this way it freezes after I get about 20% of the way through using disk utility or I try to install the system software.
Now either using disk utility or system software install, they do not recognise the disk.
When trying safe, single user and verbose boots, after about (est) 2-3 mins I get after about half a screen of text ending with:
diskOs10: I/O error.
Invalid key length
(4, 16111) -which I assume is the problem location on the disk
** volume check failed
syncing disks... Killing all processes
continuing
done
CPU halted -then the computer turns off.
As I haven't opened the computer up at all, I was hoping that it was a software problem that could ulimately be resolved by reformatting and reinstalling system software but with all the forced shutdowns and restarts (including having to restart with mouse key held down to remove/change installer disks) I fear the worst and think the hard drive is terminal or an outside chance that the superdrive is somehow at fault.
All of the above has happened in the last 24 hours.
I would like to try to at least copy off my email messages (100's) before giving up and replacing the internal hard drive.
Three questions:
1. Is there anything else I can do to try to reinstall system software?
2. I also have a MacBook (OSX 10.5.7) and a couple of LaCie 250GB firewire drives - is there any way I can hook these up or boot from the the MacBook or its DVD drive to see what's on the iMac G4 in it's current state?
3. Is replacing the hard drive straightforward or should it be done by a pro? (back in the day I often switched and replaced internal hard drives in old beige macs 6100's and as recently as tower G3's/G4's but I haven't looked inside a iMac other than to add RAM.)
Please help!!

Success! - this was my solution - it may help someone else avoid the three weeks of trial and error that I've been through.
I tried an older version (3.0.2) of DiskWarrior without success (web info suggests I'd need 3.0.3 or later) but I had managed to create disk images (.dmg) of the old partitions using DiskUtility onto an external firewire drive which I could mount successfully. At this stage I could to see all of my original files so rather than upgrade DiskWarrior on a 'maybe', I bit the bullet and reformatted the disk with the same size partitions and names as before in the hope that I would be able to clone from the dmg files.
I reinstalled OSX 10.3.4 and updated to OSX 10.4.11 to get back to where I'd started. I then tried using Carbon Copy Cloner to clone the disk images onto the new partitions but it kept crashing after a few hours. I also tried cloning to another IDE drive in another G3 (running 10.3.9) which also crashed. This left me thinking that the original problem had been that the hard drive was somehow in a knot and the 'knot' was still contained in the dmg file.
When I reinstalled OSX 10.3.4, I couldn't avoid using the setup assistant but as I didn't know a lot of the settings (I guess there are ways of getting this info from the dmg file but I didn't know how to and also, I wasn't sure if using OSX 10.4.11 settings in OSX 10.3.4 would cause more problems) I just entered basic details, restarted and updated to OSX 10.4.11. I then ran Software Update which updated a number of items.
I then used Migration Assistant to copy all of my settings and applications from the mounted .dmg file and it recovered most of my settings and applications. The applications work pefectly and didn't even ask for serial/validation details. I needed to spend an hour or two comparing two finder windows - one showing the mounted .dmg disk and another my new hard drive replacing newly installed Mail, Address Book and Safari files with the files from the .dmg file (Users, Preference and Application Support files etc), a restart or two later and it all appears to be working perfectly including all of my mailboxes, messages, contacts safari favourites etc .
Amazingly, it's a 80GB hard drive that I know was pretty full (showing only 3GB free) when I had the crash, the .dmg file is 67GB but now only 43GB disk space is used! As far as I know I haven't left anything out that I had on the disk before but as it all appears to be working well I really don't care!
I've already made new disk images!

Is a hard drive faster on a shorter IDE cable?

Hello,
I am considering connecting my main hard drive with a 24" IDE cable rather than using my 18" cable which I used previously. (The IDE cable therefore will be 6" longer.) Will this slow down the performance of the hard drive? My hard drive is a 40 GIG, 7200 RPM hard drive.
Also, if you configure a hard drive as a "slave" (rather than "master") does this reduce the performance of a harddrive?
Thanks,
PS: Both my 18" IDE cable and my 24" IDE cable are 40 pin IDE cables with 80 conductor wires rated for ATA/133. The difference is in the length only.

I have a shocking one for you. I just measured the
ribbon which used to be in my Beige G3/300MT and it
is about 140 cms long (For the normal people here, that's 52 inches) (purchased in a PC store),
and not only. It is a 40-wire cable, not an 80.
I used this to be able to connect and disconnect
everything with the case completely open (I hate
short wires.....).
This was connecting my "burner" and my storage hard
drive (master & slave) to one of the channels.
My emergency startup drive connected to the second
IDE channel and installed inside the case (near the
motherboard), and my main startup drive is a SCSI.
I haven't noticed any particular problems with speed.
Note that my storage drive was only accessed to copy
files onto it, not as a working directory, and
therefore mounted in that position as a slave on
purpose.
The IDE startup drive had a much shorter ribbon, also
a 40-wire cable.
The Sony burner used to clock just slightly over a
minute to burn an audio CD at 52x (yes, I know....it
is a little suicidal, but I like it), and got stuck
every now and then, but hey, what's life without a
few coasters?
The performance was excellent, and I think the flaws
were due mostly to the Beige, rather than the drive
(the drive still lived in my B&W until I got a DVD
burner), and now sits in a drawer awaiting new
assignments).
I also tried using the same ribbon in my B&W, just to
connect an extra drive (I didn't have any other
ribbons left), and it worked flawlessly.
cheers

Second hard drive in Quicksilver 733

I need to increase the size of my internal hard drive, I've got a Seagate 160gb IDE (Ultra ATA100) drive arriving today.
If possible I want to add it as a second drive, and make it the Master since it will be faster than the old 60gb drive that came with the machine 5 years ago.
I also have an external 120gb Firewire drive I use as a backup, and I want to keep it for that use.
Does it make sense to do what I propose, and if so, how do I go about cloning the old internal drive onto the new one in one step? Also, can I add the second drive without needing to buy a PCI card for it as well?
Thanks for any advice.
Quicksilver G4 w/1.4gHz card Mac OS X (10.4.6) [Previously: Mac SE, Classic II, LC475, Beige G3]

Hi, justin -
Can you guys confirm that I can install the 160 as a second internal drive without a card, although 30gb of it may be inaccessible?
Yes.
Set one to Master, the other to Slave - use the label on each drive to determine the proper jumper positions for that drive.
It makes little difference which is Master and which is Slave - those are (mostly) nothing but addresses to the Mac - either can be used as your primary boot drive.
Exception - if you connect that machine as the Target machine in a Firewire Target Disk Mode setup with another Mac, only the drive jumpered as Master on the built-in bus will be available to the Host machine.
Suggestion -
If it is possible to remove the drive in the external firewire enclosure without damaging the enclosure, you might consider doing that. Put that 120GB drive in the G4 as the second drive, and put the 160GB drive in the firewire enclosure. That way you can use the full 160GB of the new drive.

How do I transfer iTunes Library from external hard drive to another drive?

I have filled by 160GB drive with my iTunes music library so I am purchasing a 400GB external drive. I want to transfer the entire library to the bigger drive. Can I simply drag via fire wire then entire libarary to the new drive and then "tell" by iTunes Mac where it is? Any step by step would be appreciated.
Thank you.

I just posted this to another topic, but it applies here as well. Hopefully there's no prohibition on cross-posting on this board, my apologies to all if there is:
"I haven't read the whole thread, so someone could have already mentioned this, but I did the same thing, move my music library to an external drive. The Help articles are helpful, but only up to a point. When that didn't work, I called up AppleCare support up, and they took me through all the standard steps, and got stumped at the same point I did. Finally she suggested trying something, and that ended up doing the trick. So here in brief is what you do:
1) Copy over your "iTunes Music" folder to the external hard drive
2) Go into Advanced preferences to have iTunes look for the "iTunes Music" folder in the new location. If you're like me, your music won't appear in the Library.
3) In iTunes, go to the Library window (which is probably blank), then in a Finder window, find the icon for the "iTunes Music" folder in the new location. Drag that icon onto the Library window.
You should now see a progress window pop up showing all the songs that it's populating the Library window with."
20" Intel iMac 14" iBook G4, 233 MHz Beige G3 Mac OS X (10.4.5)

SCSI hard drives in G3 tower

Hi
I have a PowerMac 8600 running OS9.2 nicely on two internal SCSI hard drives.
Can I transfer SCSI HDDs from a 8600 into a B&W G3 tower? I read the G3 B&W supports Ultra2 SCSI. What is Ultra2 SCSI?
Thanks
Web dude

Although most beige G3s did indeed ship with IDE drives, the beige g3 has a SCSI bus built in. It is limited to 5 MB/sec.
On the 8500, 8600, 9500, 9600, the Internal Fast SCSI bus can transfer as fast as 10 MB/sec, provided the cables are kept reasonably short and active termination is used. The external is the same old 5 MB/sec. All the above are now referred to as "narrow" and internally use the 50-pin ribbon cable.
So yes, you can move your old drives right over and they will work fine. Your unit may not have shipped with an internal SCSI cable, but they are easy to come by.
The Server version of the Beige g3 shipped with a Apple Ultra Wide SCSI PCI card, capable of transferring up to 40 MB/sec using Wide Drives, 20 MB/sec using "narrow" drives. It was essentially an ATTO Express PCI PSC reloaded with Apple Firmware and called the Apple53C875. An Apple firmware update is available through this article:
25176- Mac OS X 10.0: SCSI Card Updater Document and Software
The pale yellow cable had three 68-pin drive connectors, and was already at is maximum length at about three feet. Single-Ended active termination was provided by straps on the last drive. A sticker was placed over the external connector on the PCI card, because Apple felt its use would extend the bus too far for reliable operation.
Ultra SCSI "narrow" was a very popular option for the Blue & White G3 if you just had a peripheral or two to hook up, usually externally. It was implemented most often with the Adaptec 2930, which continues to be supported and drivers were built into Mac OS X (including 10.4 Tiger if my memory is accurate).
Ultra2 LVD SCSI was never offered in an Apple branded solution in the beige G3, but was available as an option in the Blue & White G3 and Server model. Single-channel solutions used the Adaptec 2940U2B, whose firmware update is here:
60409- Ultra SCSI Card 1.2 Firmware Update: Document and Software
A 68-pin cable with three drive connectors and a discrete LVD terminator (captive at the end of the cable) was used. The card could transfer data using wide drives as fast as 80 MB/sec, \[faster than the steady-state performance of the best drives available today]. It has one Internal/External SCSI Bus, and used a "regular" 68-pin external connector.
Later, the Blue & White G3 was sold with a two-channel card, the 3950U2, which is quite rare. It was the first PCI SCSI card to have a 64-bit PCI Bus interface. The G4 AGP graphics and later Macs were available with an optional "version 2" two-channel card, which was a modified ATTO UL2D with Apple Firmware. It provides a VHDCI external connector.
Most of the articles discussing this subject start as if the Blue & White G3 were the first Mac ever made, and go on from there> this one has a bit more background information about older styles, but not older PCI cards. It includes a table of different SCSI names and speeds with their cable length restrictions:
HT3076- Power Macintosh G3 (Blue and White), Power Mac G4: SCSI FAQ
Message was edited by: Grant Bennet-Alder

Panther is installed but won't boot from iBook hard drive

Hello,
I made a similar post in the iBooks colors section of Discussions on this topic not quite knowing whether this was a hardware or software issue. I finally got Panther to install after using Disk Doctor to check for and fix errors on 9.2.2 (I would never use with OSX) and also rebuilt the directory while booted from an OS 9 CD and running Disk Warrior from a floppy and taking out the airport card. The Panther CD told me to restart the computer after installation. During the OSX start up from the hard drive I saw a gray screen and the dark gray Apple logo with the spinning gear then the computer crashed and a message appeared that I needed to restart the computer. After restart, the same sequence of events happened again. I have tried to restart from the OSX using the full retail CD used for intallation and the computer also crashes. I cannot start up from the Disk Warrior CD either. I have also tried make a Safe Mode start up and the iBook again crashed with the restart message appearing again. When I restart in OS 9 everything works perfectly, OS, airport and applications. I did have Jaguar installed on this iBook until five months ago, but incounterred issues with it and decided that more RAM would solve my problem. I then decided to initialize the hard drive and reinstall OSX after purchasing 256 RAM. The 256 stick of RAM was bought from ifixit.com and a guy there told me he thought that the logic board needed to be replaced. I explained to him that the computer works perfectly fine in the OS 9 mode, but he said that 0SX is more demanding and 9 can get by on less than perfect logic board. I also reinstalled the 128 MB RAM that was in the computer when Jaguar was running on it, but that didn't help either. I have scoured the iBook and Panther OSX sections of Discussions for any others having a similar problem, but not such luck.
I would appreciate any information or suggestion that you might have as to what may be causing this issue on my iBook.
Thank you.
Greg
iBook Mac OS X (10.3.5) 300 mhz 320 MB RAM

Greg:
You have probably already tried this, but the first thing I would do is reset the PRAM.
1. Shut down the computer.
2. Locate the following keys on the keyboard: Command, Option, P, and R. You will need to hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
3. Turn on the computer.
4. Press and hold the Command-Option-P-R keys. You must press this key combination before the gray screen appears.
5. Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time.
6. Release the keys.
Also, check out this Apple article Your Mac won't start up in OS X.
Good luck.
cornelius
PismoG4 550, 100GB 5400 Toshiba internal, 1 GB RAM; Pismo 500 OS X (10.4.5) Mac OS X (10.4.5) Beige G3 OS 8.6

Very basic questions about hard drives

I'm upgrading from vintage Beige G3, so much of the jargon about internal drives is new to me.
My MacPro will come with an OEM 160 GB drive. I will use this for my primary boot drive -- OS and Apps. All my data, photo files etc. will be kept on my second/third drives. I do not plan any sort of RAID setup. Windows is going nowhere near my Mac.
For the extra drives --
1) SATA? SATA II? What's the difference and is it critical?
1a) What is a "raptor" drive?
2) Does size matter (we're talking about GBs here, guys...)
3) Reliability is more important to me than speed or noise. We're a long long way from any technical help or even UPS.
4) Do new drives need to be formatted before using them internally?
5) If I partition one of the extra drives so I can keep a clean, backup OS boot partition, I need to format it as GUID, correct? Or does that just apply to external firewire boot drives? Does it matter which partition will be the boot partition?
6) I've read discussions about firmware requirements for some drives. What's that all about?
I was leaning toward MaxLine Pro 500 GB drives, but have been reading (reading too much, perhaps?) and now have all the above questions/concerns. (Whatever happened to the good ol' days of "buy an IDE drive, insert, play"?)
Thanks for your patience with these questions. I need to get it right the first time because of our remoteness!

1. SATA 1 interface speed rated at 1.5 Gb/s; SATA II interface speed rated at 3.0 Gb/s.
2. Drive ratings/performance is determined by many factors. You can best find out about individual drive performance by visiting http://www.storagereview.com/ to see their benchmark results on various drives. You will also find some helpful comparisons at http://www.barefeats.com/.
3. As for drive specs see previous answer. Generally speaking within any manufacturer's category of drive models for a given size the fastest drive will be the most expensive. Manufacturer specs usually do not provide any idea about drive performance in real world situations. Only benchmark comparisons are really useful, and even those can be confusing.
4. Yes, you can boot an Intel Mac from an APM partitioned drive. You simply cannot install OS X from the installer disc because it will refuse to install on a drive that has not been GUID partitioned.
5. Some older Seagate 750 GB models were not working properly when installed in a RAID configuration on Mac Pro computers. Seagate provided a firmware update to fix the problem for those who already owned the affected drives.
I don't know where you got the idea that Intel Macs were "picky about such things." Nor that installing drives in a beige G3 was a no-brainer. The old beige G3 required a lot of mechanical effort to mount a new drive internally. You not only had to connect all the various cables, but if you had two drives on the same ribbon cable each drive had to be jumpered properly - one as MASTER and one as SLAVE. Some older ATA hard drives had two different jumper settings for a MASTER - MASTER solo and MASTER w/SLAVE. Some beige G3 models wouldn't even boot OS X unless it was installed on a MASTER drive. And, you could not install OS X on a large drive except by partitioning the drive with an 8 GB partition for OS X that had to be the first partition on the drive. RAIDs may work or not depending on if you ran OS 9 or OS X. At least to me that wasn't the "good old days" unless you were comparing installing ATA drives to dealing with SCSI. I would say that in your particular case you were lucky, and you never tried putting two drives on the same ribbon cable. Oh, and I forgot about the size limiting jumper on most ATA large drives to limit capacity to 32 GBs because that's all that was supported by FAT32. Oh, yes, and the beige G3's disk controller did not support drives larger than 128 GBs.

Installing New IDE Hard Drive.

I can not get my G3 to find and IDE hard drives. I can start up from a 10.2 cd and into os 9.2 but can not fid the added hard drive. Can anyone help

In addition the excellent advice already provided, here are some additional items:
First, to support two devices per ATA channel under OS9, you must have a Beige G3 ROM Rev 2 or 3. In OS9, select Apple System Profiler from the Apple menu. On the first page, look for the section labeled "Production information" and click the disclosure arrow to expand if needed. There will be an entry for "ROM Revision." If this code is not $77D.40F2, OS9 cannot support more than one device on each of your two ATA channels. This limitation is said to go away under OSX.
If you have a Rev 2 or 3, physically attach the extra hard drive to the same ribbon cable that serves the original hard drive. The original drive should be set as "master" via jumper settings (charts available at the drive manufacturer's web site) and the extra drive as "slave." Typically, the master drive is at the end of the ribbon cable and the slave uses the middle connector.
For maximum performance, do not mix fast devices (hard drives) and slow devices (CD-ROMS; internal ZIPs, etc) on the same channel. A slow device sharing a channel with a fast one can slow the fast device.
My Beige G3 has the following arrangement;
ATA0: Master-Maxtor 120GB HD
Slave-Maxtor 80GB HD
ATA1: Master-CD-R optical drive
Slave-internal ZIP 100
Works great with that set-up.

Mounting a SCSI Hard Drive

I have a Western Digital 9.1 GB 68 pin LVD SCSI Ultra 2 10k rpm hard drive that I am trying to mount and initialize. I am using the G4 listed below with an Adaptec 2906 SCSI pci card, a QVS dual SCSI 50 pin hard drive internal cable with a passive terminator on the end connection (HD in the middle), and a 50/68 SCSI adaptor (IDC50P/HPDB68M). The hard drive was given to me with a jumper at pins 21 & 22 (Disable Target Initiated Synchronous/Wide Negotiation). I have tried it with and without the jumper but the hard drive does not show up any place.
I have a Quantum 50 pin SCSI that does appear in Disk Utility and Drive Setup (OS9) when connected to this setup (without the adaptor).
On the Western Digital web site they said that their SCSI drive would not mount on a Mac without SilverLining or FWB Tools. I downloaded a copy of SilverLining Lite but the hard drive still does not appear as mountable. So I believe that it is something in my setup that is not correct, I have a ordered a copy of Disk Utility that is still in the mail.
Any ideas, input or resolve would be very appreciated, thanks.
Joe
Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet Mac OS X (10.3.9) 1.5 GB Ram, ENCORE/ST G4, Tempo SATA, ATI Radeon 9000, Adaptec 4000

Why not just replace the internal IDE hard drive in the 6500 with an Ultra ATA-133 drive? A new drive will run cooler and has a faster rotational speed. Obviously, you won't get the Ultra ATA-133 speed boost, when connected to the 6500's onboard IDE controller; but when you're ready to retire the 6500, the ATA-133 drive will probably be more useful than a 9.1 GB SCSI drive. The combined costs of the controller card, cabling, and shipping just to use the (bargain) 9.1 SCSI drive may be more expensive than it's worth. You could pick up a used beige G3, for what you'll spend on the SCSI hardware. A few years ago, I acquired a similar 9.1 GB IBM LVD-SE drive from a PC. I installed it in a SCSI-2 external case (SE mode), which required a 68-50 pin internal adapter and an external, active terminator on the alternate Centronics-50 rear port. It's a quiet drive and is more than adequate for backups. I've got Ultra-SCSI controller cards that would enable installing it internally, but my B&W G3 has the Ultra ATA-133 controller card and 120 GB drive - which are more useful than a speedy 9.1 GB drive. I do have a bootable Adaptec 2930 Ultra-SCSI controller card (firmware-based) installed in the B&W, so the 9.1 SCSI drive is occasionally used to boot it. Ideally, if you want to use the drive with a slower, narrow SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 bus, you should install a 68-50 pin adapter with high-byte termination (9-line negation). It ties off the (18) unused conductors, something that the standard adapter can't do. Here's a (downloadable) useful reference, for understanding SCSI terminology.
Anyway, that's my input. I've got a pair of 6500s that I haven't parted with yet, but they've been retired since I moved on to newer hardware for everyday use. They make great iTunes jukeboxes (with their built-in sub-woofer), but the 128 MB memory cap and slow 50 MHz system bus are inherent limitations that date them.

Will this idea work for recovering a hard drive? Please assist.

My parents Mac stopped working this week. Specifically their hard drive seems to be down. (Flashing ? on startup). They have a beige PowerMac G3 300MHz with an 8GB HD. The HD is formatted into two partitions. They run OS 9.2.2. They have done little if any preventative maintenance in the last 2 years.
What I have done so far:
1) Booted from OS 9.2.2 CD
2) Partition 1 (with the System Folder) does not mount. The
computer said it did not recognize the disk and asked if
I wanted to initialize it. I declined.
3) Partition 2 (no System Folder) does mount. Files are
visible.
4) Ran Disk Utility on Partition 1. Disk Utility found
problems but was unable to correct them. Restarted and
ejected 9.2.2 CD.
5) Attempted to boot DiskWarrior 2.1.1 CD. Did not work -
perhaps the old machine has difficulty with burned
disks. It has been known to happen.
My Diagnosis: Since Partition 2 mounts, but Partition 1 does not, I guess that the directory on Partition 1 is corrupt, preventing the computer from finding the System Folder.
Prescription: rebuild the directory.
Problem: how to rebuild the directory if DiskWarrior CD doesn't boot?
My Proposal: I have a slot loading iMac 500 G3(summer 2001, I believe). I also have a iMac 800 G4. My plan is to remove the ailing Hard Drive from their machine, and put it into the iMac 500 G3. I will then start the iMac 500 in Target Disk mode, and connect it to the iMac 800 via FireWire. I will then use DiskWarrior 4 on the iMac 800 to rebuild the directory of the drive in the iMac 500. Does this sound like a plausible plan? Please comment if you see any holes in my plot (ie - will DW 4 even work on a drive with only 9.2.2 and has never seen 10.x on it at all, or will it just mess it up more?). If you have any helpful suggestions or easier ways to do this, please let me know! Thanks.

I have one of the beige beauties, a 300 also. By today's standards they are a little slow in OSX, but in Os9 they really cook! One of the real beauties of these beige wonders is that they are so flexible. You can actually run two ATA/IDE drives on the same buss in a Slave/Master configuration and there is plenty of room, cabeling, and power connectors already installed for the job. If you have a spare 50 pin SCSI drive hanging around you can stuff that in also.
My suggestion would be to leave the iMacs out of the repair loop, get a spare drive (they are dirt-cheap on eBay), put OS9 on the spare, or even the 2nd partition of your present drive (you are still within the boot partition requirements of the 8GB drive in the 2nd partition), and do the repairs on the beige using its own drives.
The suggestion of getting a firewire enclosure is a good one. They really come in handy. Get a good enclosure, ie-pay some money for it. The cheap ones tend to loose their power supplies. The drawback is that the beige won't boot from it like it will from an internal IDE.
Unless there is information on the boot partition of the 8GB drive that they positively have to access, I'd abandon that drive and start over. It's just too much fussing and time spent otherwise, and Disk Warrior occasionally comes up short.
Davdi

Double clicking on trash shows what seems to be a copy of my hard drive

My 21/2 year old daughter turned on my computer and started playing while unsupervised. Now my hard drive is named "x" and when I double click on the trash icon (which shows it is empty) I see what I would normally see if I double clicked on my hard drive icon. The machine boots fine and the internet connection even works, but I have these duplicate folders on my hard drive and trash. Needless to say there are many missing folders and my mail info is all missing and my address book is blank. I'm not so concerned with what I lost, but what is the best way to get back to normal. Of course I did not get my back-up scheme working yet. Any takers?

Mark:
Welcome to Apple Discussions.
If you did not get your backup working yet, now is the time to do it. Before you try to straighten things around you should make a backup of your computer.
Good luck.
cornelius
PismoG4 550, 100GB 5400 Toshiba internal, 1 GB RAM; Pismo 500 OS X (10.4.5) Mac OS X (10.4.5) Beige G3 OS 8.6

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