Boot from an iMac?

This is complicated.  Bear with me.  I have this recurring problem with the MacBook.  It is running OS 10.6.8.  About once every 11 to 12 months it gets some software problem.  I don't know how specifically how it starts, because the problem does not occur when I am using it.  But another user reports that the computer suddenly gave him the spinning wheel of death, and the only way he could deal with it is to remove the battery.   Now, though, when we start the MacBook, we get the hollow thermometer running across the bottom of the Happy Mac window.  This is the third time this has happened in the last two years.  On the first two occasions the MacBook went ahead and started up, even though it took a good ten minutes to do so.  Now, though, the thermometer goes quickly one-third of the way across, and the display goes to a gray screen with the spinning cursor.  Nothing further happens.
I run Applejack.  It reports a catalog error.  The catalog has a "1" where it should have a "0."  But Applejack cannot repair the hard drive.
In the past I have then booted up from the Installation DVD, wiped the hard drive, and restored from the back up.
This time the DVD drive does not work.  I stick the Installation DVD in, the drive makes a loud abnormal whirring sound, and maybe it ejects the DVD, maybe not.  Right now the DVD is out of the drive. 
The drive complained the last time I used it, which was the last time the computer gave me this catalog problem.  That was some time in the last year.  With broadband, we do not use the DVD drive for much of anything except this annual booting up from the Installation DVD.  I have to think that the DVD drive maybe just went bad from inactivity.
I suppose that I could order a new DVD drive and put it in.  I replaced most of the guts of the previous iBook often enough to think that I might give it a go on the MacBook.
But what I am wondering now is if I could connect the MacBook to an external DVD drive and boot up the MacBook from the Installation DVD in the external drive.   The only external DVD drive I have is a 2001 iMac running 10.3.x.   I have USB cables but no Firewire cable.
Could I connect the MacBook to the iMac and boot the former from a DVD in the latter's drive?

Update:   I continued playing around with the optical drive---sticking a DVD in and watching it pop out as I started and restarted the computer.  (The DVD was not the installation disc; it was something I did not mind playing with.)   Eventually the drive did read the DVD.  I whipped out the first DVD and inserted the Installation DVD.   From there it was a simple--if time-consuming--task to wipe the hard drive and restore from the back up.  So the answer here appears to be to use the optical drive from time to time just so that it does not gum up from disuse.

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