Brush stroke lag after panning.

Here at work our machines performed horribly in photoshop, and i just found the reason. Lag occurs primarily on selections and brush strokes after using the pan tool, but these lags were only present when Vista's Aero theme was DISABLED and vista was running the basic theme (something you would otherwise think improved performance) this is however not the case for Photoshop.
Our dilemma is though that we cannot run 3dsmax in Aero mode and as such this fix is essentially useless :(.
Other sources on the web have indicated these problems as being nvidia driver related (my problems occured running a 8800gtx), this is so far unconfirmed by me although i will be testing a highend ati card shortly.

anecdotal, but here's a story about nvidia's love/hate relationship w/vista
NVIDIA's Drivers Caused 28.8% Of Vista Crashes In 2007
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/28/0326209&from=rss

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I am on an Intuos5 L and before that I had the Intuos 3 A4 and I had the problems with that tablet as well.
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Update:
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Thanks

I guess I was thinking that if the Histogram Panel requires more processing so as to fill it out, then you could expect its display to take more computer time.
For what it's worth, I did some testing and with a sufficiently large brush I can certainly get ahead of Photoshop - that's pretty well known. I couldn't see for myself where having the Histogram Panel open made any difference, though.
-Noel

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h,
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Hello, pretty new to Flash CS6. I've been sketching in Flash all day and running into a weird problem. When doing quick brush strokes, every 1 out of 7 or so does not register. My tablet lights up telling me I'm applying pressure, but it skips the stoke on screen comepletely. After doing a quick test in Photoshop CS6, I didn't have any missed stokes, even when done very quickly.
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Sorry for the impatience, but I could use some help here. I animate in a sketchy style and it's very irritating when ~20% of my lines don't register at all. It seems like a very simple fix I am overlooking, but I lack the knowledge to figure it out on my own.
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Hi there,
I have tried with a Wacom tablet and even with a MagicMouse and the problem is exactly the same. If I pick a brush and draw, for example, consecutive strokes, each stroke gets more lag than the previous, making fast sketching tedious and overwhelming.
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Thanks JJMack
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I am a photographer and rely heavily on my Wacom tablet to edit my images in Photoshop. The latest CS6 update and CC update disables any tool that uses the brush feature. If I work with a tool for example the quick selection tool, before I can use any keyboard shortcuts or hot keys I have to click anywhere else in my workspace, then my keyboard will work. I cannot increase the selection size of the tool, cannot adjust hue or saturation, and cannot choose another tool using the keyboard shortcuts.
THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM for me at the moment. My editing time has nearly TRIPLED because of the additional steps I have to take.
I contacted Wacom support and they told me to contact Adobe. All of the Adobe forums said to contact Wacom. I am now stuck in an endless battle of neither company wanting to take responsibility.
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Ok the problem seems to be fixed for me. Here what I did:
Before, I was running Yosemite 10.10 on an iMac i7
I had the latest driver from Wacom (I tried a couple of older drivers, to no avail)
I'm running PS CS6, with all update
I'm using a Wacom Intuos 5 medium tablet
I was getting super bad lag while using the brush and other tools. Let's say I'd open an image to edit. After selecting the keyboard shortcut for my brush, I'd make one pass with the brush on the image. The brush stroke would be there, but it wouldn't show up in the history palette. Only after making another brush stroke would the previous action be recorded in the history palette. I was lagging real bad. In between brush strokes I wouldn't be able to change tools or even change the size of my brush. Nothing worked. I'd have to click off the image to regain control, or click the trackpad to regain control. BTW, the trackpad worked perfectly. NO lag for anything in PS. The polygonal lasso tool, one of my favorite selection tools, was basically unusable with the lag. I'd have to click several times before it would catch up and then sometime it would just randomly close the selection. So that was useless.
Ok, so that's what was happening to me. My tablet was basically useless. It took triple the time to work with it.
All I did was update Yosemite to 10.10.1 and the tablet now works PERFECTLY in photoshop cs6 for me. I'm not sure you'll get the same results but it worked for my computer. I really didn't think it would work so I was pleasantly surprised when it did.
I had tried installing older wacom drivers. Didn't work.
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Brush (cursor) lag making Photoshop unrealistic option for use?

Hello forum,
I am making the move from traditional media to using the computer for generating art. I purchased CS4 because my first machine didn't have 64 bit support. One of the behaviors in the Photoshop application that had me suspend any further study with it was the nasty brush lag as I moved either my mouse OR my pen (I have a Wacom Cintiq) while 'painting'.
I've search diligently online for answers, read the forum posts, even called support. The best they could offer was deleting the application cache data on my Windows XP machine. I suppose that helped a bit, but it still proved quite laggy.
Understanding a bit about how computers work, I know processor power, GPU power and memory, and system memory can have big effects on improvement. So I purchased the Toshiba Qosmio with an i7 quad core processor, 4 GB of fast system RAM, and a great nVidia graphic card with 1GB of memory. This new machine is Windows 7, so I was delighted I could use the CS4 64 Bit version of Photoshop!
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So now when I paint my brush strokes have to be short, slow strokes because the behavior of the application is requiring it if I want to see my strokes right away.
Now I'm not an digital artist, not yet, so I don't have an expectation on whether this is expected behavior or not. I can't imagine it is, could it? When I used GIMP for a few months, I don't remember ever seeing this kind of lag on the mouse cursor.
I want to stay in the world of Photoshop for my digital art study; nearly all of my study materials make use of it for tutorials and examples. But I have to find out what's going on with this first. Right?

The performance you're seeing is not normal, and certainly not acceptable.
The thing that seems to be constant across your different systems is the Wacom tablet. I have no tablet myself, as my uses of Photoshop are serviced fine by the mouse, and everything is instantaneous.
I have been reading posts in this forum on and off about the 64 bit drivers for the Wacom not being solid... Maybe someone else more knowledgeable in tablet operations can volunteer more info on the status of that.
Also, I have read that having the "Adobe AIR" panel open can cause lag and slowness.
Just some things to think about.
Best of luck.
-Noel

WHY DON'T YOU AT LEAST IMPROVE THOSE BRUSH STROKES?!

I'm a professional digital artist-illustrator for about 7 years now. using photoshop since early years of my career. CS2, CS4, CS5.. on more than several mashines, top line HP workstations and EliteBook.
and one thing that bothers me and most of my colleagues is the quality of the brush strokes that PS provides.
why don't you improve em for christsake?!?
I must admit, this is a software issue, not mashine. neither the resolution, some options or tablet series has anything to do with this.. and it's especially visible on thicker strokes.
we work on intuos3, intuos4, intuos5, apple, win and whatnot. ant it's most obvious that the brush lines are as ugly as hell in this program entirely through all series.
when it comes to non-vector lineart, thats' basically why most of the artists/designers go for other progams, such as paint tool sai, sketchbook pro, manga studio and etc, and do the effects/coloring only in PS.
here's an ex. how the brush lines end. + if you work slower/move your pen more precise they go even worse!
I won't go further, like talking about the LAG with mixer brtushes and etc. most of the CG forums and communities are allready full of those discussions. you cannot even compete on this issue with other products.
that might be also a solution to rise your sales around the globe. cos now - why to buy a <1200$ worth PS program in europe when you'll probably end up mainly using paint tool sai or sketchbook pro for around 90$ and go for GIMP (free software) for effects.

I can understand a certain level of frustration, PAUZAK, but really? Are you a part of the same universe I'm in?
Your answer seems defensive; I'm just trying to help.
Points answered:
>then why other products managed to make it work?
I was only commenting on the points made in the thread YOU linked to. Apparently at least some people see the shoelace thing in the Wacom control panel. Given that evidence, which I doubt was manufactured, your pretense seems to need questioning. I suppose it's possible (actually, a certainty) that some products send different commands to the drivers than others, and that the drivers are doing things wrong only under some conditions. That's why I asked whether the Smoothing setting affected your setup.
>just like this forum.. can't make a reply like in other normal forums, or edit anything
I'm having no problems replying, or editing using any of the major browsers, including Firefox. I can't edit posts on an iPhone or iPad (not allowed to even try), but if you're using an actual computer and you can't even make the forum work, you have problems on your system.
>adobe is. cannot make the most simple things to work right and not LAG
Some operations in Photoshop are complex and when done with big brushes and all kinds of stuff (fuzzy edges, mixing, etc.) turned on they slow down, but with reasonable sized brushes I've been able to paint stuff, and I certainly don't have the world's fastest computer by today's standards. And even so, I'm not sure that's a situation where it's not working right per se... Maybe just one where a better computer is needed to paint with really big brushes and all the fancy stuff turned on. That *could* be a better computer than any invented yet, but that's okay - see next year's lineup...
>looks like the staff is obviously looking somewhere else
Wow, and you posted that *right* after one of the senior Photoshop scientist/engineers at Adobe responded specifically to you. When's the last time an engineer from any other big software company responded to you?
>Photoshop is still a huge and expencive disappointment so far. ask any pro
Yeah, all the pros just avoid Photoshop. That's why Adobe is doing so poorly as a business. They can hardly sell any copies at all!
PAUZAK, I'll go out on a limb and say making things up and trolling for shock value and blaming the world for your own problems probably aren't going to help you reach a solution.
-Noel

Enabling GPU in CS6 slows down brush strokes

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However with the GPU disabled I am unable to use functions such as canvas rotation, flick panning, scrubby zoom and so on - features that I find incredibly useful. Also at different zoom levels images become highly pixelated and smooth lines appear very jagged. This obviously makes images very difficult to work with!
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Asus Geforce GTX 560 Direct CU with the latest driver 344.75
16GB available RAM
Intel i7 Quad Core CPU 3.07 GHz
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I will also notify Nvidia and see if they are aware of the problem.
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Yes, it sounds like something is wrong with your video card driver.
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There's a link to a video tutorial showing how to do this in the
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Can anyone reproduce this apparent bug in FHMX?
1. Apply a brushstroke to an object.
2. Group with 'Transform As Unit' checked.
3. Duplicate object several times. Scale some of the copies
larger and some
smaller.
4. Export document to PDF.
Open exported PDF in Acrobat, Illustrator or Preview.
Unexpected results:
All of the scaled copies of the object are missing from the
PDF.
Judy Arndt
FHMX 11.0.2, Mac OS 10.4.6

Rich Hudgins wrote:
> Confirmed in FH10 - OSX 10.4.x. I tried opening the PDF
back into FH
> just for kicks... very interesting. There are the exact
number of
> originals and dupes directly on top of the original.
i.e. I made an
> original and two smaller and two larger dupes, offset
from the original.
> In the FH opened PDF there were 5 exact copies of the
original item
> directly on top of each other. There were also 5
nostroke-nofill copies
> of the original shape without the brush stroke.
Wow! Yes! Same here.
Any transforms done to an object after being grouped with
'Transform As
Unit', are being ignored by the PDF Export.
This series of steps will produce the same problem described
by Makate.
1. Apply a brushstroke to an object.
2. Duplicate object and move it to another location on page.
3. Group the duplicate object with 'Transform As Unit' (TAU)
checked. Then
scale it larger.
4. Export document to PDF.
Unexpected results:
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object.
This will happen not only with brush strokes but with
ordinary strokes. PDF
Export is missing all transformations made after TAU is
applied. If I
remember correctly, TAU, which has been in FH since very
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*Rich* wrote:
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Keep in mind that what you see on the screen is sent pixel by pixel, row by row, to the monitor - much as it was done in the time of CRT displays and scanning electron beams, even though today most have LCDs.
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