Canon 5DIII conversion of ProRGB or Adobe RGB to sRGB over-saturation

I shot a Canon 5DII in raw for three years & posted a lot of my work on the web. I did PP on the image with a calibrated monitor. I would make initial adjustments in LR4 & further develop the raw file in PS. When generating a copy to post on the web, I would convert to sRGB & imbed the color profile when generating the web-ready jpg file. The image was slightly different when viewing in Firefox (it reads the embedded color profile) vs. viewing in Internet Explorer or Google Chrome browsers. But it was not a significant difference.
With my new 5DIII, when using the same PP methods & conversion, there is a huge difference depending on the browser. Firefox renders just a bit flat, but generally in the ball park of what I set the image color at. In IE & Chrome, the reds are really over saturated & the blues are somewhat so. I'm embarrassed to post anything with the fear that someone will look at them with one of those two browsers.
Has anyone else run into this issue when upgrading to the 5D3? Way over-saturated colors in certain browsers for sRGB jpg files?
Here's an example I posted on the Nature Photographer's Network site: http://www.naturephotographers.net/imagecritique/largephoto.cgi?ref=195761&w=i
If you view it in different browsers, you'll see the big difference. Thanks for any help or advice.

The manufacturer’s profile may or may not be quite correct. If you are doing photography that others pay for the results from, then you should invest in a hardware calibrator to make sure things are as correct as possible when viewed or printed elsewhere.
One of the Spyder series is what I see many people using. I see others mention the iOne/EyeOne and a few Colormunki, with some people also needing printer calibration be handled by their calibrator for added expense. If you are sending out your prints, only, or people are ordering them, online, then that is not a concern, but getting accurate color on your monitor is, and being able to trust that the colors you’re seeing in your color-managed products like Photoshop and Lightroom will carry over to clients viewing sRGB JPGs on their cheap monitors, and also carry over to offsite prints, is a concern.
The initial problem description of colors becoming oversaturated suggests a problem with your monitor’s color profile not matching what it actually is displaying, as well as a problem with some non-color-managed applications showing weird things, and perhaps a problem with the output profile from LR or PS not being set and embedded as sRGB.
Setting your monitor to the manufacturer’s profile is a good first step as long as your monitor, itself, using the on-screen-menus of the monitor is set to the proper mode that matches what your profile is doing. Maybe this is a Native mode, not a User or sRGB mode. Some manufacturer’s monitor profiles are actually incompatible with LR and cause problems, though, which is another reason to create your own custom profile.
The reviews I see for your particular monitor say it is very bright. Are you using it at maximum brightness when you are editing? A hardware calibration process usually also has a step or two where you set your monitor to an ok contrast and brightness setting, rather than maxed out. Is your room lighting (ambient lighting) very bright or normal overhead office fluorescents or very dark.

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3) This is a screenshot of an AdobeRGB export and sRGB export (100% quality and 300 pixels per inch) [I have sent you the originals via Dropbox, please see private message]
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Gary Anthes wrote:
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Gary
Then, you are seing the properties shown by Windows itself.
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Richard,
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I shoot RAW in Adobe RGB...

...so why does Aperture export to sRGB every time?
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I've seen other posts about similar problems, but I haven't found answers that address this particular issue. Any ideas?
For the info, Canon RAW, EOS 400D.
Thanks all. Be gentle with my first post here! =o)

You don't shoot RAW in Adobe98. You shoot RAW in RAW.
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Ian
P.S. Welcome to the forum!

Converting RGB images (sRGB or Adobe RGB) to 709 color space.

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(1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._709
(2)
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Your questions are very clear and I'm not sure whether my comments help. The information
in the internet is not convincing.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

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Hello and thanks in advance,
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I need to set the proper PDF export settings
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