Canon EOS400d 'Picture Styles' & RAW

Can someone please clarify whether or not using different Picture Styles when shooting has any impact on the camera's RAW file, and consequently affects what can be tweaked when processing with Aperture?
Also, what exactly is being 'boosted' in the RAW fine tuning adjustments panel....?

In your opinion, am I losing anything by processing
RAW with Aperture as opposed to using Canon's own DPP
software (which I think just doesn't cut the mustard)
or even ACR with Photoshop?
Not a lot, apart from the vignetting and chromatic abberation correction in ACR.
I actually shoot with a
modified 'standard' style, but from what you are
saying, if I'm using Aperture, this won't matter -
presumably the picture styles only affect how the
400d processes JPEGs in-camera. Correct?
If you set a picture style for a RAW file, DPP will process it to look like the equivalent JPEG, while Aperture should give a result similar to the picture style set to unmodified standard.
I tried using CaptureOne LE which is actually quite a
nice utility (especially as it was free with some CF
cards!) but it doesn't have the capabilities or ease
of use that Aperture has.
C1 is good, even the LE version, but it doesn't really have any cataloguing features or an easy workflow.
Ian

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Hi, when I import a raw file from a canon camera into Aperture, the colors looks different to the ones that appers on Canons's softwares and as the pixture apear in-camera. I like to acomplish the canon landscape picture style as starting point to modify my pictures. I found some equivalent presents: http:/http://maccreate.myshopify.com/products/aperture-3-presets-canon-picture-s tyles-1 but it seems the page is not working, does anyone know another web page where to buy it? or does anyone know an aproximation how Canon set the landscape colors in order to create my own equivalent Aperture preset?
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I have been trying that, but when I choose any standard canon's property picture style, the Canon Picture Style Editor does not show what were the parameters that changed, it just changes the colors on the picture but not the color profile controls. But you're right, at the end, I'll have to somehow copy the colors profiles, saturation, etc by just making an eye comparasion. In the midtime, the Keith Barkley'ssuggestion looks reasonable. Thanks for your time.

Canon's picture style to DNG profile?

Hi,
Is there a way to get the "color map" in a Canon's picture style and use it to build a DNG profile, maybe via the DNG Profile Editor or ColorChecker Passport?
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[email protected] wrote:
I do not see any information regarding how to extract color transformations from Canon Picture Style files, so as to be able to move this info into a DNG profile. Maybe I missed something?
I often see comments where people want Lightroom processing to be brought to simulate particular in-camera processing, but I always find it hard to understand the thinking there. The way that the camera, and that Lightroom, converts Raw data into a picture are Just Different [as different as a piano and a violin playing the same piece of music] and using each one single-mindedly to its own strengths and in its own way, by results, seems to me 100% fine and appropriate.
The DNG profile is an Adobe feature, and modifies the action of Adobe adjustments and processing. A Picture Style is a Canon feature, and modifies the action of Canon image processing. The controls and functions and outcome of one should never be expected to map 1:1 exactly onto those of the other... not least because some of this is proprietary / patented, or difficult or expensive to reverse engineer. Most importantly: even if it were possible, writing code to simulate the actual processing of a particular camera is AFAIK an unrealistically disruptive task to implement into the existing software. And Lightroom supports dozens of camera models.
[There are certain stylistic things you can do on a violin that mimic some particular ways of playing a piano, and vice versa. But the scope of this mimicry is restricted by the specifics of playing each instrument, so one needs to use one's head and imagination. There is no sustain pedal on a violin - there is no vibrato on a piano. And that is as it should be. It is how you play whatever instrument you are using, in relation to the piece of music, that matters.]
I don't mean to sound negative about your question, but more to encourage you to look beyond the options that the camera happens to provide. More positively, Lightroom gives rich controls over colour including
Basic panel - White Balance temp and tint, saturation and vibrance
selecting a DNG profile (as generated programmatically, and/or as tweaked in the DNG Profile Editor)
Tone Curve - there is an RGB point curve option
Hue Saturation and Luminance panel - hue shift, lum and sat for 8 hue sectors
Process Version
Camera Calibration panel manual sliders - shadow tint, separate RGB primary hue and sat
The DNG Profile Editor and the Camera Calibration panel seem to offer the best chance of achieving a given hue response look across many images. The HSL panel is probably more suitable for individualising a given picture. Also a camera capable of shooting DNG natively may include an "Embedded" colour profile saved in each file, which encapsulates the camera's own hue response information in some respects.
Quite often a particular camera image style includes contrastiness and tone curve aspects besides hue response - which for Lightroom, will involve some other controls as well as the ones mentioned above. That can all be wrapped up in a one-click Develop preset - or even, modified LR processing defaults - for ease of application in the future.

Can additional Canon EOS picture styles be added to Lightroom 3.6?

Additional picture styles such as Twilight, Autumn Hues and Studio Portrait can be added to Canon EOS cameras using the User Defined slots. They can be downloaded from http://web.canon.jp/imaging/picturestyle/file/index.html
Can these be added to the drop down list of profiles in Camera Calibration?

Right...you'll have to shoot color charts with them and use those to create the profiles.

Canon (EOS 50D) Picture Styles in LR41

Hey there,
first let me tell you that I'm familiar with LR concepts. I read a lot about RAW processing, color profiles and stuff. It all makes sense to me.
That having said... I'm unfortunatly quite unhappy with LR's color reproduction. It seems technically very accurate; unfortunatly -- Canon's own "Standard Picture Style" (so OOC JPEGs) are in most cases much nicer to look at, color-wise.
I know it's not me alone having this feeling (just do a quick search).
Adobe provides look-alike profiles (.DCP-files) which are supposed to imitate Canon's Picture Styles. Unfortunatly none of these Adobe-profiles comes close (enough, IMHO) - most annoying thing for me is a strange blue/green cast in darker areas, e.g. shadows in daylight conditions are too bright and too blueish.
Remember, I'm using a EOS 50D (which probably won't get profile updates any more by Adobe, I suppose...)
So here's my question:
Can I assume that Adobe already did the best they can to match Canon's Picture Style?
==> stop dreaming about a "better" "canon-50d-standard.dcp"-file.
Take it or leave it, stop crying.
Or is there a possibility to tweak existing profiles?
==> find out how.
Adobe's DCP editor, dcptool, whatever?
Thanks for your suggestions!
Medon

Hmm, well...
Which one do you like best, which looks worst, and why?
Pictures A/B/C
All three unchanged except for the different applied profiles.
Cheers, Medon
P.S.:
If you'd like to please download them to a folder, so you can flip through them. Side-by-side comparison doesn't reveal the differences so well, IMHO.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50976394/LR_Canon/A_small.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50976394/LR_Canon/B_small.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50976394/LR_Canon/C_small.jpg
A
B
C

Incorporating Canon's DPP Picture Styles in LR

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Importing Canon Picture Styles into Aperture (how to keep the metadata) RAW

I have a Canon 30D. Often I use the picture styles settings to shoot Monochromes. When I bring them up in Aperture to import they read as Monochromes (they are RAW) and as soon as I import them....Aperture strips it. This is pretty frustrating when I have a shoot of 300 images and 85 of them are black and whites. Canon software keeps the settings if I use their software, but i'm building an Aperture Library.
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Although I don't know for sure, it is possible that Canon Picture Styles are not in industry standard EXIF, and so they might be a Canon private format only readable by Canon software. If that is the case, there isn't much Apple can do but reach some kind of deal with Canon. Apple may or may not want to go to the trouble, because they might not want to also support the private data in other manufacturers' private raw data, like Nikon's encrypted white balance.
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LR working w Canon RAW with Picture Style

Hi there,
I LOVE LR, like it workflow & retouching but... i very confuse recently with LR
I know LR can't "read" those picture style setting...one day, i tested Canon 5DMKII raw Canon DPP vs LR, sigh....Canon is much better I do think, color in LR is not so good enogh
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I shoot Canon but have never experimented much with Picture Style settings. But looking at my camera's Field Guide Book, it says that Picture Styles make adjustments in Tone Curve and Color Saturation. In the Landscape Picture Style specifically, the book suggests the camera also adjusts Color Temperature for greens and blues.
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To adjust color temperature in LR, you can experiment with the various presettings found when clicking the arrow to the right of "As Shot," or in the second shot, by clicking the eyedropper icon to the left of "WB" and then clicking something purely white (the left subject's jacket, or a white part of a cloud). More nuanced adjustments can be made with the Temp and Tint sliders. It appears to me that in the first shot, Canon's selecting a slightly warmer color temp (higher Temp number) than you set in LR, and in the second shot, Canon's selecting a slightly cooler color temp (lower Temp number) than you are in LR. You could try those adjustments in LR and see if you agree.
I would avoid using the Brightness or Contrast sliders or the Tone Auto button in LR to adjust the tone curve, and instead experiment with three other ways LR's Develop mode can help you adjust the tone curve in a more nuanced way. One is to position the LR cursor in the Histogram so you get a double-sideways arrow icon, and drag the bars left and right, particularly near the two sides of the histogram, until the tone curve extends to each end of the histogram without lighting up either of the triangles in the two upper corners of the histogram.
A different way to adjust the tone curve in LR is to start by moving the Exposure slider so that the overall exposure looks correct. For these two shots, the histogram will be highest in the middle if the Exposure slider is set correctly. (With a nighttime scene or other predominantly dark shot, of course, you want the histogram highest on the left side, not balanced in the middle.) Then, if the histogram does not extend all the way to the left of the graph, move the Blacks slider to the right until the triangle in the upper left lights up, then reduce the Blacks slider just until that triangle goes dark again. Then, if the triangle in the upper right corner of the histogram is lit, move the Recovery slider higher just until the upper right corner triangle goes dark. (If that triangle is already dark, leave the Recovery slider at 0.) Finally, you can move the Fill Light slider if you want to decrease contrast, as in your second shot, make the shadows a bit lighter. Otherwise, leave it at 0. Some photographers would, and some wouldn't. Others would just say, don't take a shot like that in harsh midday light if you have a choice, but not everybody can wait around for a week until the light is perfect!
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Canon Picture Style Support in Aperture

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When I shoot picture using my EOS 400D and apply a specific Picture Style, i.e. monochrome, portrait or landscape, then this setting is not applied when importing the pictures into aperture at all!
I realized this when using monochrome as a picture style and then the pictures turned up in color in aperture...

this is probably a good way to come up with your own presets ...
i personally have never used the picture styles (except the BW on my IR only camera - i only want BW jpgs) ... but conceivably you could shoot RAW+JPEG and tweak the RAW till it looks like the JPEG and save those as presets ... it may take a few times to get them close ...
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Is it correct?
The same is valid for the color space.
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Max

Yes...You understood! Thank you very much
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I use a Canon 400D and I would like to be able to use Lightroom in such a way so as to be able to mimic the Picture Styles that the Canon Digital Photo Professional software can produce.
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More details can be found at http://web.canon.jp/imaging/picturestyle/index.html
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Hello, Canon.
I dont know, if there is a dedicated way of making a feature request for a firmware update?
I have a simple problem, so please take a look at it. When I choose a picture style in photo mode, the same style is activating for the video mode and vice-versa.
The previous camera that I had, the 60D, was remembering the video and the photo picture style separately.
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Skirball wrote:
This is just a user-based forum, you won't get any technical Canon response here. Though one of the Canon admins may be able to point you to a place where you could file your request.
I wouldn't get your hopes up though, Canon doesn't really do a lot of feature add-ons through firmware, mostly they just put bandaides on mistakes.
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There is nothing about this in the Canon 5DII manual.
This makes Picture Styles useless when shooting in RAW !?

Just a bit more info:
In my own case, I have set my Canon dSLR to the default settings, then I have Camera Raw defaults set up that provide, as a starting point, color/exposure appearance that look very much like what the camera delivers in the embedded JPEG. Then I tweak the settings from there, often ending up with quite different results from the starting point.
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