Capturing from non-controllable device doesn't give a signal in FCE

I have the same problem as in http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9458819 but I only have Final Cut Express. If I use the DV Pal setting, there is no problem, I can capture the video (from VHS connected with a Canopus ADVC-55), but it keeps stopping to look for timecodes (which it won't find, as it's a VHS player). During this searching, the video doesn't get captured, but the tape keeps playing (it's what VHS players do). I seems I have to capture using the DV Pal Converter setting, but when i do this, FCE doesn't get a signal, no preview, no nothing. What am I doing wrong?

The device is connected properly, like I said, with the other option it gets the signal,... but skips parts due to the Search for the Timecode (sounds like a Hollywood blockbuster doesn't it?).

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