Cement Sales
Hello Gurus,
I am currently involved in an Implementation project for Cement company.
_PP module is not a part of the implementation and shall be implemented later on.*
The finished goods: 3 different kinds of cement as of now, those are
a) Ordinary port land cement (OPC)
b) Sulphate Resistant Cement (SRC)
c) Oil well Cement (OWC).
Which are sold in Domestic and Exported either in 50 Kg bags, Jumbo Bags (1.5 Tonne) or Loose Cement (Bulk).
The finished product is stored in Cylos (capacity of 4000 tonnes each). Different cylos are used to store different types of cement.
Cement is packed and loaded on to the trucks directly (Automated Process. No separate storage locations exist and there is NO godown to store the packed cement.
Kindly suggest whether to
1) Create separate material master for each kind of cement? How do we account the sales for these separate material masters created?
2) Packing material (Packing requirement varies for Domestic sale and Export sales) to be brought into Sales process.
Kindly provide if any reference material is available on SAP SD implementation for Cement Company.
Thanks in Advance
Hi,
1: Represent each Cylo as a storage location. ex: Cylo 1=X1, Cylo2=X2 & so on
2: Maintain 3 different materials for
a) Ordinary port land cement (OPC)
b) Sulphate Resistant Cement (SRC)
c) Oil well Cement (OWC)
use any convenient naming convention but measure it in KG
3: Use MB1C to put stock(finished product) in Cylo
Ex: MB1C, Mov Type 561, Storage Loc=X1(Cylo 1) then enter the Qty like 4000000 KG
4: Create 2 distribution channel
a: domestic b: export
5: Define 2 packing Materials a: 50 Kg bag b: Jumbo bag. U can define what wt each can carry ie 50 ka & 1500 kg
6: If a domestic customer requires 1000 Kg cement OPC then create sales order as below:
use distribution channel= domestic, Enter material=OPC, qty=1000 kg
7: In the delivery goto Pack & select pack material 50 kg bag & pack
8: Now PGI. stock=1000 kg will reduce from Storage loc X1
regards
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CardCode
CardName
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ItemCode
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Unit Price
Line Total
DocTotal
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14240621
CDR0001
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621
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354652
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14240621
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621
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354652
18888.46
621
14240621
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ABCDEFGH
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7572.5
354652
18888.46
621
14240621
CDR0001
ABCDEFGH
621
MT0003
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4225
354652
18888.46
621
14240621
CDR0001
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70618.74
354652
18888.46
621
14240621
CDR0001
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621
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44000
98252
354652
18888.46
621
14240621
CDR0001
ABCDEFGH
621
306010001
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10779
354652
18888.46
621
14240621
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354652
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36499.65
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621
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planning, transportation planning,and vehicle scheduling
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Human Capital Management Processes
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/2a/77eb3cad744026e10000000a11405a/frameset.htm
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/3a/7aeb3cad744026e10000000a11405a/frameset.htm
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/18/7beb3cad744026e10000000a11405a/frameset.htm
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/EN/3c/7b88408bc0bb4de10000000a1550b0/frameset.htm
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http://www.essroc.com/default.aspx?pageid=183
http://www.energymanagertraining.com/cement/pdf/CementProductionProcess.pdf
http://services.eng.uts.edu.au/~johnd/MaterialsHandling/Cement.pdf
http://www.mine-engineer.com/mining/cement.htm
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6826448-description.html
http://www.sap.com/industries/millproducts/pdf/BWP_OV_Cement_and_Concrete.pdf
http://www.sap.com/india/company/press/press.epx?pressid=8214
http://smbzone.indiatimes.com/articleshow/25576.cms
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