Change in Derivation rule in fund managemet
Hi Gurus
If i change derivation rule for fund center to cost center in between of fiscal year. will it make any impact on existing PO.
please give me your valuable input.
Regards
Shiv
Hi Shiv,
If I understood you well you want to know if one assignment bettwen funds center and cost center change if the PO will be automatically updated to the new assignment or not.
The answer is no and you can find all the hints in the following note:
658163 Acct assignmnt change: Determinatn of new FM acct assignmnt
If you want that the PO will be changed to the new assignment, the note provides also some workarounds that will allow you to do this.
I hope it helps you
Best Regards,
Vanessa Barth.
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Derivation Rule For Fund Management
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Where we can maintain derivation rule for fund management???
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help.sap.comDear Mahendra,
Please follow following link for PSM-FM
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_pserv472/helpdata/EN/ba/43d43ab8029b66e10000000a114084/content.htm
and for FI-FM
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_pserv464/helpdata/EN/ba/43d43ab8029b66e10000000a114084/content.htm
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If the business wants to derive default CC based on BUsiness Area, you can switch over to this
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Hi SAPers,
My client needs to change the derivation rule for year end. For PR and PO reconstruction, i understand that we can use RFFMRP34N and RFFMRP02N.
What is the procedure to reconstruct FI document to update FM based on latest FMDERIVE? If i understand correctly on the message, we need to delete old dataset (RFFMDL02) and then run RFFMRP20, then finish by executing BPINDX03. Is my understanding correctly or is there any other thing that i need to check?
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EGHi Mar,
I might be wrong, but if i only execute FMN0, the accounting document from GR of PO still goes to the commitment item on PO. Below is the steps that i performed:
1. Post PR, PO, GR using commitment item X.
2. Change the derivation rule to commitment item Y.
3. Delete Actual data using (RFFMDLFI).
4. Run Supplementary Account Assignment using FMCN, and convert it. This updated the commitment item Y in the GR document.
5. Run S_ALR_87012637 - Totals Records for FI Documents to see whether FMCN updates FM, and i can see that the GR document that i deleted still missing in FM.
6. Run FMBV, but report FMRP_RFFMAV01X - Annual Budget still does not show changes, and the document is still missing.
6. Run FMN0, and put the document number.
7. Run S_ALR_87012637 - Totals Records for FI Documents again, and the GR document is updated
8. Run report FMRP_RFFMAV01X - Annual Budget, but apparently, even though the commitment item has changed to Y, it updates at commitment item X.
9. Run FMBV again to reconstruct the assignment, and no changes.
Then i tried another way.
1. I deleted PO commitment data (RFFMDLOI).
2. I and reconstruct PO again using FMN4N.
3. I run FMN0 using the GR document as reference.
4. I run report FMRP_RFFMAV01X - Annual Budget, and i can see that the assignment is correct.
Did i miss something, or this is what we should do if we have FM data from GR or Invoice?
Thanks a lot for the explanation.
CW -
Hi
I need to change existing derivation rules of one of the characteristic in COPA.
1: However when i am in change mode in KEDR i am unable to change source (greyed out )
So do i have to delete the old rule step completely and create a new rule?
Will there be any issues if system is live and i am trying to change derivation rules?
Appreciate your help
Regards,
ReddyNo system allow you to change please check your authorization
Ali -
Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text, Message no. ABADR100,
Hi
I am making some testing and I have the following message , which is about the functional area. I did not use the FM derive:
Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text
Message no. ABADR100
Diagnosis
SAP - Original Generic 4.7 Ver: Funded Program fro
No derivation rule entry was found for the specified source values valid on 22.06.2011.
The derivation rule was defined so that an error message is displayed when this occurs.
The system could not find a rule entry valid on 22.06.2011 for the following source fields:
Financial Management Area/Functional Area
Z001/6000
Procedure
Create a rule entry for these source values and make sure that rule entries exist for all the source values.
If you do not want the derivation to be performed in every instance, you can also change the derivation rule so that no error message is displayed if a rule entry is missing.
please helpHi Thanga,
I don't think this is the right group to ask questions relevant to Controlling-Profitability Analysis.
otherwise, it seems in your 'Characteristic Derivation/ Display Rule values' you are missing an argument 'to Product Group', therefore the system gives you this error 'The system could not find a rule entry valid..'.
hope this will help you.
Kind regards,
Renatas -
Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text ; Message no. K/110
I am facing the below error when posting document in FI
Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text
Message no. K/110
CO-PA Characteristic Derivation
Diagnosis
Step 0166 5400: Profit Center in Inventory Posting
No derivation rule entry was found for the specified source values valid
on 02.04.2014.
The derivation rule was defined so that an error message is displayed
when this occurs.
The system could not find a rule entry valid on 02.04.2014 for the
following source fields:
Product Group
Procedure
Create a rule entry for these source values and make sure that rule
entries exist for all the source values.
If you do not want the derivation to be performed in every instance, you
can also change the derivation rule so that no error message is
displayed if a rule entry is missing.
Maintain entries
Maintain derivation strategy
In KEDE:
In KEDR:
Please help me what might be the reason.Hi Thanga,
I don't think this is the right group to ask questions relevant to Controlling-Profitability Analysis.
otherwise, it seems in your 'Characteristic Derivation/ Display Rule values' you are missing an argument 'to Product Group', therefore the system gives you this error 'The system could not find a rule entry valid..'.
hope this will help you.
Kind regards,
Renatas -
KE21N with reference - copy old copa records without applying new derivation rule
Dear all,
does anyone have a clue how to make this:
We would like to copy some old COPA line items but face the problem that doing KE21N with a reference document the old derivation is overwritten in the moment the document is saved.
Is there any possibility to copy the old document and also the old derivations?
Thank you a lot
Kind regards
Birgit SeegerHi Birgit
The only way I can think of is to enter the char values as you want directly in ke21n. You may Need to temporarily change your derivation rules to not derive the char values if the same is already filled
Just click on the magnifying lens icon beside the Target field inside your derivation rule and you change setting
Br. Ajay M -
Error while defining derivation rules in FMDERIVE
We are currently on ECC6. While defining Funds Mgmt .... activated the derivation rules in FMRULES. But when I try to define the derivation rules in FMDERIVE .. I get the following error: Syntax error in program "RFMDERIVE003 ".
Error in the ABAP Application Program
The current ABAP program "SAPMABADR" had to be terminated because it has
come across a statement that unfortunately cannot be executed.
The following syntax error occurred in program "RFMDERIVE003 " in include
"RFMDERIVE003 " in
line 32:
"The Dictionary structure or table "FMDERIVE003" is either not active o"
"r does not exist."
The include has been created and last changed by:
Created by: "SAP "
Last changed by: "SAP* "
Error in the ABAP Application Program
The current ABAP program "SAPMABADR" had to be terminated because it has
come across a statement that unfortunately cannot be executed.
How can the same be rectified. Kindly help.
Thanx
ShivajiHi,
Check the OSS note Note 644974 - Syntax error in program RFMXPR47. Looks like table FMDERIVE is missing.
Regards,
Sanjay -
is it possible to have a derivation rule where we can define for budgeting purpose that if we are using a particular cost center we could use only a particular commitment code only.
viewers please leave your hints/remarks so that any help could be receivedHow to change fund managment period from existing (APRIL TO MARCH) TO OCT TO SEPTEMBER.
WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT USING
public cector mgmt
fund mgmnt govt
basic setting
fiscal year setting
define fiscal year setting
there we have v3 as april to march and
v9 as oct to sept
originally we had assigned v3 to Financial year and to fund mgmt period both.
but now we want to assign v9 to fund mgmt period.
But system is not allowing us to do that. How can we achive it and what are the reasons for errors -
Hello all,
I have created derivation rules for the Transaction codes KP06 - Change, CJR2 - Change or FMBBC.
However, they arenu2019t working. The rules are working fine in other areas, but not for the above mentioned transactions.
Can you please help in these?
Thanks in Advance for your helpHello Gopa,
I believe I have answered the same to you in the Funds Management Forum.
I will copy here again for your convenience.
In KP06, profit center field in not available and therefore PRCTR field is not passed from CO to FM derivation tool. Thus, it is not possible to derive the funds center based on profit center. You have to find other means to derive the Funds Center. The most common why would be to derive Funds Center from Cost Center.
The derivation of FM fields can be called within CO transactions ONLY if CO-FM integration is active for the financial management area. This can be done in the customizing under:
Public sector management
Fund Management Government
Actual and Commitment Update Integration
Integration
Integration with Cost and Project Controlling
Activate Integration with Cost and Project Controlling
You may also check the following:
Public Sector Management
Funds Management Government
Actual and
Commitment Update/Integration
Integration
Integration with Cost and
Project Controlling
Choose Business Transactions for Integration
If you want CO-FM integration active please do not use SAPALL layout.
SAPALL is only relevant if you do not have FM account assignments active.
SAP delivered standard profile for CO-FM integration is SAPFUND (see note 518610).
Related to the budget transactions like FMBB and FMBBC, let me try to clarify to you that the derivation rules for budget has nothing to do with the derivation rules for actual/commitment postings.
For actual/commitment postings you use FMDERIVE transaction.
For budget postings you should use FMCUDERIVSUB transaction.
I hope this resolves your inquiry. Otherwise, kindly let me know what is missing.
Best Regards,
Vanessa Barth. -
Derivation Rule in report painter
I want Product describtion along with Product number. in a report. I have created a derivation rule through KEDR. and coppied the product describtionin the rule. Now how to use this derivation rule in the report.
Harish,
There is no need to define seprate derivation rule as product description is readily available in COPA tables.
Just select product description characterstics for available list while designing report.If report already exists then go to change mode and make nessesary changes.
Please call me for any more inputs.
Ashok -
"Error occurred in derivation rule" & "No commitment item entered in item".
Unable to create Purchase Request (PR) and the following error message shows
"Error occurred in derivation rule. See Long Text"
Diagnosis
Fund From Commitment Item
No entry in a derivation rule was found for the specified source fields.
The derivation rule was set up that an error message appears when this happens.
The required derivation rule entry would need the following source fields:
Commitment Item
xxxxxxx
Procedure:
Create an entry in a derivation rule for these source field values. Make sure that entries exist for all the valid source field values. If the derivation should not always be carried out, you can also define rule so that no error message appears if a derivation rule entry does not exist.
Can any one help how to find out the root cause of the error and solve this issue
Regards,
GBI was able to duplicate your error by creating the following.
I went to transaction FMDERIVE and created a derivation rule and named it "Fund From Commitment Item".
On the definition tab, I selected committment item (COMMIT_ITEM) for the source field and the target field selected (FUND).
The condition tab was left blank. NOTE: On the attribute tab I selected the option "Issue Error Warning If No Value Found).
I entered no rule values (F9) within the rule (for example such as commitment item XXXXXXX = fund YYYYY) and saved.
After creating this derivation rule, I get the same error message because there were no values in the derivation rule (the source commitment item used was not found in the rule).
If Fund is a field that is always keyed manually then I would not have such a derivation rule.
But you may have some exceptions (like we do) and in the case of exceptions you can populate the derivation rule with those exceptions... i.e. whenever commitment item XXXX is used then the fund should be equal to YYYY further using your conditions and attributes for your custom needs. -
Dear All,
we have an issue in profit center acccounting. Balance sheet account Vat input tax payable is picking dummy profit center instead of correct profit center. Basically we are doing the following steps. 1. Purchase order creation 2. Goods received via migo 3. invoice receipt via miro
At the time of miro posting, system is automatically created accounting document, with dummy profit center is assigned to Vat input tax payable account. For GR/IR clearing account right profit center is picking without any mistake.
Infact, Dummy profit center is assigned to this balance sheet account under tcode 3KEH.
Derivation rule is created for this balance sheet account along with plant condition to post to correct profit center under 3KEI . But system is taking only dummy profit center.
I have checked configuration and the following areas like Material master costing view, tax code areas, and account group but not find any mistake.
Please advice how to get correct profit center to this balance sheet account instead of dummy.You have to do this with the Month end closing
TC
F.5D - Calculate
F.5E - Post
F.5F - Display Log
F.5G - Special Functions
This is the help from F.5D - Calculate
Short text
Calculate Balance Sheet Adjustment
Description
A balance sheet eadjustment distributes
receivables and payables in customer and vendor reconciliation accounts,
tax postings,
cash discount postings from the net method of posting vendor invoices as well as
valuated exchange rate differences in open items (this is a P&L item, but since receivables or payables increase or decrease depending on the valuation, a readjustment is also made for the exchange rate difference with a reverse +/- sign).
This process ensures the zero balance per business area necessary for creating business area balance sheets.
It consists of the following steps:
When posting a document, the system analyzes it to determine whether a balance sheet readjustment is necessary. If a readjustment is required, the system marks the document for readjustment.
Readjustments are calculated for the marked documents and stored in special tables.
This subfunction is described below.
The calculated readjustments are read and then distributed and posted in total to the appropriate accounts.
Fields Included in Readjustment
Readjustments are made for business areas if the function for business area balance sheets is activated in the company code in question. Readjustments are also made for trading partner business areas if the function for business area consolidation is activated.
If Profit Center Accounting is activated in the controlling area allocated to the company code, readjustments are made for profit centers as well as trading partner profit centers.
Note
The fields included in readjustment are determined when the original document is posted. Thus, the customizing settings for business areas and profit centers must be made prior to posting the first document. If these settings were not made, you can still mark posted documents for balance sheet readjustment by executing the subfunction for setting up the balance sheet readjustment (see below).
Basis for Distribution
The system uses the account assignments of the offsetting entries in the initial document to calculate the distribution. Offsetting entries are all G/L account items apart from tax items and cash discount items.
Readjustment is made only for those account assignments which were not specified during posting (their value is blank). If a value is entered in an account assignment field during posting, it is regarded as a correct entry and not changed by the readjustment.
Carrying Out the Distribution
Readjustments are transfer postings which create one or more account assignments (not blank) for the unspecified account assignments in original documents.
Scheduling the Program Run
You can run this program as often as you like.
Requirements
Account Determination
For each account, you can specify an adjustment account to post the readjustment to. Otherwise, the system posts the readjustment to the original account.
To distinguish readjustment postings from other postings, you should create separate adjustment accounts and have the readjustments posted to them.
Since reconciliation accounts cannot be posted to directly, you have to specify adjustment accounts for them.
Since readjustments are posted without tax, the accounts posted to cannot be relevant to tax.
Adjustment accounts are determined when calculating the distribution.
For more information on automatic postings, see the Implementation Guide.
Output
The log shows how many documents per company code the system calculated distributions for.
Note:
If valuation differences are noted in documents, the system always includes them in the calculation. When updating the allocation tables, it checks for whether or not calculations already exist for these documents.
If account determination is incomplete or maintained incorrectly, the system does not calculate any distributions for the affected documents. It lists both the queried entries and the affected documents.
To view the readjustment calculated for an individual document in Document Display, choose Environment -> B/S readjustment.
Additional Information
See the documentation for the other subfunctions:
Posting the distribution.
Displaying the logs of existing posting runs.
Reversing an incorrect posting run.
Redetermining the adjustment accounts if you changed the account determination or it was incomplete at the time of calculation.
Setting up balance sheet readjustment if you have already been productive with a release prior to 3.0.
Dependent functions
Readjustment must be carried out prior to creating a business area balance sheet.
Profit Center Accounting also requires the results of readjustments.
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