Clip degradation with color correction effects added

Hello,
I've had this issue lately where I can't push any of my clips past 2 or 3% increase on any color correction effect without huge amounts of color noise, artifacts and other degredation. Adding a simple HSL adustment and bumping up the saturation to 10 makes my image look like an 8-bit picture. I attached two examples, one at 4% and the other at 40%. You can see the color noise in the highlights and shadows and the overall noise in the image.
I opened the same clip in Media Composer 7 and was able to push the saturation to 100 without any noise. It's almost like PP is using some low bit color space or something. Any ideas on how to fix this or is it a bug in the program?
at 4%-
at 30%-

Thanks Jim, here is a download link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sqd71rt0kw9w4jo/DSC_6373.MOV
I've noticed it only happens when using the Color Balance HLS effect. If I use a Three-Way Color Corrector to adjust saturation, I get no noticeable noise. So that is my work around. But I'm curious if you get the same results.

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Howard,
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