Clones vs. Time Machine

A few months ago my original 120GB HD for my Macbook died. I was able to restore everything to my replacement drive from TM with no problems. What are the advantages of using a clone program like Super Duper or CCC instead? Was I just lucky it worked out?

keysfins2010 wrote:
Related question: If creating a clone, why does the HD need to have FireWire? Or am I confused??
That's a requirement of OSX, not the cloning software.
Most PPC Macs can only boot from a FireWire drive; most Intels can boot from either USB or FireWire.
Also, be sure it's a bootable drive. Most are, but some Western Digitals won't boot a Mac. Their list of which ones should and +should not+ boot: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/stdadp.php?pfaqid=1787. But note the disclaimer that they don't support it +*at all.+*.
The advantages and disadvantages of clones vs. Time Machine are a bit more involved than what's been posted so far.
Here's a more complete comparison:
There are three basic types of backup applications: *Bootable Clone, Archive, and Time Machine*.
This is a general explanation and comparison of the three types. Many variations exist, of course, and some combine features of others.
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_*BOOTABLE "CLONE"*_
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These make a complete, "bootable" copy of your entire system on an external disk/partition, a second internal disk/partition, or a partition of your internal disk.
Advantages
If your internal HD fails, you can boot and run from the clone immediately. Your Mac may run a bit slower, but it will run, and contain everything that was on your internal HD at the time the clone was made or last updated. (But of course, if something else critical fails, this won't work.)
You can test whether it will run, just by booting-up from it (but of course you can't be positive that everything is ok without actually running everything).
If it's on an external drive, you can easily take it off-site.
Disadvantages
Making an entire clone takes quite a while. Most of the cloning apps have an update feature, but even that takes a long time, as they must examine everything on your system to see what's changed and needs to be backed-up. Since this takes lots of time and CPU, it's usually not practical to do this more than once a day.
Normally, it only contains a copy of what was on your internal HD when the clone was made or last updated.
Some do have a feature that allows it to retain the previous copy of items that have been changed or deleted, in the fashion of an archive, but of course that has the same disadvantages as an archive.
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_*TRADITIONAL "ARCHIVE" BACKUPS*_
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These copy specific files and folders, or in some cases, your entire system. Usually, the first backup is a full copy of everything; subsequently, they're "incremental," copying only what's changed.
Most of these will copy to an external disk; some can go to a network locations, some to CDs/DVDs, or even tape.
Advantages
They're usually fairly simple and reliable. If the increments are on separate media, they can be taken off-site easily.
Disadvantages
Most have to examine everything to determine what's changed and needs to be backed-up. This takes considerable time and lots of CPU. If an entire system is being backed-up, it's usually not practical to do this more than once, or perhaps twice, a day.
Restoring an individual item means you have to find the media and/or file it's on. You may have to dig through many incremental backups to find what you're looking for.
Restoring an entire system (or large folder) usually means you have to restore the most recent Full backup, then each of the increments, in the proper order. This can get very tedious and error-prone.
You have to manage the backups yourself. If they're on an external disk, sooner or later it will get full, and you have to do something, like figure out what to delete. If they're on removable media, you have to store them somewhere appropriate and keep track of them. In some cases, if you lose one in the "string" (or it can't be read), you've lost most of the backup.
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_*TIME MACHINE*_
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Similar to an archive, TM keeps copies of everything currently on your system, plus changed/deleted items, on an external disk, Time Capsule (or USB drive connected to one), internal disk, or shared drive on another Mac on the same local network.
Advantages
Like many Archive apps, it first copies everything on your system, then does incremental backups of additions and changes. But TM's magic is, each backup appears to be a full one: a complete copy of everything on your system at the time of the backup.
It uses an internal OSX log of what's changed to quickly determine what to copy, so most users can let it do it's hourly incremental backups without much effect on system performance. This means you have a much better chance to recover an item that was changed or deleted in error, or corrupted.
Recovery of individual items is quite easy, via the TM interface. You can browse your backups just as your current data, and see "snapshots" of the entire contents at the time of each backup. You don't have to find and mount media, or dig through many files to find what you're looking for.
You can also recover your entire system (OSX, apps, settings, users, data, etc.) to the exact state it was in at the time of any backup, even it that's a previous version of OSX.
TM manages it's space for you, automatically. When your backup disk gets near full, TM will delete your oldest backup(s) to make room for new ones. But it will never delete it's copy of anything that's still on your internal HD, or was there at the time of any remaining backup. So all that's actually deleted are copies of items that were changed or deleted long ago.
TM examines each file it's backing-up; if it's incomplete or corrupted, TM may detect that and fail, with a message telling you what file it is. That way, you can fix it immediately, rather than days, weeks, or months later when you try to use it.
Disadvantages
It's not bootable. If your internal HD fails, you can't boot directly from your TM backups. You must restore them, either to your repaired/replaced internal HD or an external disk. This is a fairly simple, but of course lengthy, procedure.
TM doesn't keep it's copies of changed/deleted items forever, and you're usually not notified when it deletes them.
It is fairly complex, and somewhat new, so may be a bit less reliable than some others.
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RECOMMENDATION
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For most non-professional users, TM is simple, workable, and maintenance-free. But it does have it's disadvantages.
That's why many folks use both Time Machine and a bootable clone, to have two, independent backups, with the advantages of both. If one fails, the other remains. If there's room, these can be in separate partitions of the same external drive, but it's safer to have them on separate drives, so if either app or drive fails, you still have the other one.
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_*OFF-SITE BACKUPS*_
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As great as external drives are, they may not protect you from fire, flood, theft, or direct lightning strike on your power lines. So it's an excellent idea to get something off-site, to your safe deposit box, workplace, relative's house, etc.
There are many ways to do that, depending on how much data you have, how often it changes, how valuable it is, and your level of paranoia.
One of the the best strategies is to follow the above recommendation, but with a pair of portable externals, each 4 or more times the size of your data. Each has one partition the same size as your internal HD for a "bootable clone" and another with the remainder for TM.
Use one drive for a week or so, then take it off-site and swap with the other. You do have to tell TM when you swap drives, via TM Preferences > Change Disk; and you shouldn't go more than about 10 days between swaps.
There are other options, instead of the dual drives, or in addition to them. Your off-site backups don't necessarily have to be full backups, but can be just copies of critical information.
If you have a MobileMe account, you can use Apple's Backup app to get relatively-small amounts of data (such as Address book, preferences, settings, etc.) off to iDisk daily. If not, you can use a 3rd-party service such as Mozy or Carbonite.
You can also copy data to CDs or DVDs and take them off-site. Re-copy them every year or two, as their longevity is questionable.
Backup strategies are not a "One Size Fits All" sort of thing. What's best varies by situation and preference.
Just as an example, I keep full Time Machine backups; plus a CarbonCopyCloner clone (updated daily, while I'm snoozing) locally; plus small daily Backups to iDisk; plus some other things to CDsDVDs in my safe deposit box. Probably overkill, but as many of us have learned over the years, backups are one area where +Paranoia is Prudent!+

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    I hope you can advise me
    I have a 1TB external drive which I am using to back up to with Time Machine. Apart from occasionally dismounting itself this is working fine.
    I am now considering upgrading to Lion and want to create a bootable copy of my system on the external drive but there is no space.
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    If I were in your situation, I would buy a 2TB drive and use carbon copy cloner or super duper to clone the Time Machine drive to it.  When satisfied that the TM works, recycle the 1TB disk as your clone drive, which you can use as part of your upgrade strategy, and then later it will be your working clone.
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    Oh -- it's probably a decent idea to partition the 1TB to 650GB and 350GB,  Then the 650GB can be your clone going forward, while the 350GB you can use for scratch.  Right now, I'd make 2 clones, one on each partition.  Upgrade one and play with it, the other one leave alone.  Then you can have one as a semi-permanent archive of where you were with a working system in case something goes seriously south with your Time Machine, etc.
    Yes, this is straight out of the Paranoid School of Disk Management, but given the price of disk these days it's a pretty cheap piece of peace of mind!

  • Time Machine hasnt backed up in 3 weeks

    Im using Time Machine with a Time Capsule and i havent had a successful backup for nearly 3 weeks. The last time was 30 May. What tends to happen is Time Machine will be preparing for very long time, so much so that the whole system goes slow. Sometimes it goes as far as backing up but on the occasion that it did the backup failed. It gets so bad that I have to force quit my computer as I cant see any other way out. Im fortunate that I use my laptop as a desktop - heaven forbid I should have to go anywhere with it when its constantly preparing backups, beacuse If i select stop - it hangs on 'stopping backup' as well. Any suggestions? Ive just downloaded the Time Machine backup buddy widget to see if I can see a cause for the proplem. Oh an i failed to mention that sometimes my Time Capsule 'dissapears', despite it being connected to my laptop by an ethernet cable.

    dazpacket wrote:
    Thanks for your reply. Can you tell me what the difference is between a TM backup and a "bootable clone". Do i need both? I thought TM did everything.
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    Most clones contain only the contents of your internal HD when the copy was made; but TM keeps copies of items you've deleted or changed, so you can recover them if you find that they were deleted or changed in error, or somehow corrupted.
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  • Can Time Machine be disabled?

    I just got a new Macbook (refurb - early 2009 - 10.6.1) and choose not to use Time Machine - ever. Although I've turned it off in System Prefs, it drives me nuts to get the "would you like to use ..... for Time Machine" for every one of my 5 partitions on one external and 4 on the other.
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    Barbara Daniels1 wrote:
    Thanks for the suggestions; I do backup regularly using SuperDuper and/or CCC. That results in having two (2) bootable clones which Time Machine is incapable of. Therefore, I view it as quite useless - why back up if I can't boot from it in an emergency? I also copy my important files, photos, etc. to two (2!) externals AND, occasionally, I burn a DVD with those.
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    no that's not right. that link is exactly for the situation you are in. when TM is not enabled and gives that popup for every hard drive in sight. if you do enable TM then it doesn't give those popups so there is no need for such procedure at all.
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