Color Correction: Canvas color is off from exported video

Hey everyone,
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but I've been searching around and can't find the answer I'm looking for.
When I color correct a video, I get it to where I want in the canvas, and then go to export. When I export the video, it looks different from what I did in the canvas. The exported video ALWAYS looks like its never been color corrected. It's very aggravating because I have to over color correct it to make it look the way I want. Like raise the contrast a bit more, to get the exported video to look right, while the preview in the canvas looks bad.
Any suggestions to how to perhaps change the color settings on the canvas? or how to correct this problem?
Thanks a lot,
Jonathan

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Calibration of a monitor in the literal sense is performed by an engineer with engineering tools to perform precise, objective adjustments of the r,g,b bias and gains as well as any yoke alignment in the case of one of those old fashioned cathode ray tube type displays.

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General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\User\Downloads\meh_1280x720.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42
File size                                : 358 MiB
Duration                                 : 9mn 39s
Overall bit rate                         : 5 178 Kbps
Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-08-15 09:47:22
Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-09-19 02:29:56
Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, ReFrames                : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 9mn 39s
Bit rate                                 : 4 918 Kbps
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.223
Stream size                              : 340 MiB (95%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-08-15 09:47:21
Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-08-15 09:47:45
Color primaries                          : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile                           : LC
Codec ID                                 : 40
Duration                                 : 9mn 39s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 256 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
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Format                                   : Windows Media
File size                                : 498 MiB
Duration                                 : 9mn 39s
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ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : VC-1
Format profile                           : MP@HL
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Format                                   : Windows Media
File size                                : 419 MiB
Duration                                 : 9mn 39s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 6 055 Kbps
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Format                                   : VC-1
Format profile                           : MP@HL
Codec ID                                 : WMV3
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Codec ID/Hint                            : WMV3
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Bit depth                                : 8 bits
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Compression mode                         : Lossy
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Format                                   : WMA
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