Color management for poster design?

I'm making a poster in CS6 that is composed of text, graphics and some photos that I am importing.
1. How do I decide if the .PSD should be a sRGB or Adobe RGB file? Is this based on the photos I'm importing or is it based on how it will be printed?
2. Does the quality of my image degrade each time I shift from sRGB to Adobe RGB?
Thank you!

The red arrows point to out of gamut warnings (gray areas).
I have to stop here. Teaching someone Photoshop from scratch or step by step exceeds the scope of this or any other forum.
You cannot learn Photoshop from scratch in a forum, question by question.
As I've typed countless times over the years, Photoshop is a professional level application that makes no apologies for its long and steep learning curve.
Your needs far exceed the scope of this forum.
To start learning, take a class in your nearest community college or similar educational institute, watch the Adobe video tutorials on this site, take a subscription to lynda.com, etc. There are many learning tools out there, just Google "learning Photoshop".
Good luck (and please remember this is a user site. I do not work for Adobe).
Remember, you are not addressing Adobe here in the user forums. You are requesting help from volunteers users just like you who give their time free of charge. No one has any obligation to answer your questions.

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