Color management problem with calibrated monitor

I'm using a Samsung Syncmaster T220 LCD profiled and calibrated with a Spyder2Express. PC runs Vista 32 SP2, Photoshop CS4. Using Adobe RGB for workspace profile. System profile is set to the Spyder2Express profile.
Open up photo in Photoshop. Colors fine.
Resize for web, convert to sRGB, then check preview in "Save for web..."
Under preview, I preview the following:
-Monitor Color
-Windows (no color management)
-Macintosh (no color management)
-Document Profile
The Preview of Windows, Document Profile settings look exactly right, whereas the Monitor Color setting looks badly darkened. I preview with Firefox, save and view image using IrfanView and Firefox. It's badly darkened. I'm stumped. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. This is similar to another recent posting here, except that I am using a calibrated display with profile.
Anyone know what I'm missing?
Thanks, Luke

I'm a little confused. Previewing through "Monitor Color" and "Windows (no color management)" are both technically not color managed. Perhaps we should distinguish further between "colorspace aware" and "device profile aware". So I can understand when you say that Irfanview will do some color management, but does not use the monitor device profile. But I would have thought that Firefox in non managed-color config would still use the monitor device profile.
I would have thought (and I might turn out to be wrong) that previewing using "Windows (not color managed)" would be the standard for previewing images for stock browser configurations. What photoshop shows me is correct rendering of the image based on what I edited in this mode. But the browser shows me a version that looks like it is not device aware, counter to photoshop's prediction. What is going wrong here? Do none of these major window apps use device profiles? Why does photoshop think that they will?
Another thing that has been suggested is that my monitor is calibrated so far from the stock configuration that sRGB photos displayed on it without the benefit of device profiling will come out far off the mark. But I profiled the monitor in stock hardware configuration and made no adjustments, and don't think that the hardware config of the monitor has changed.
If this turns out to be just a practical issue, then it leaves a major question. What did I accomplish by calibration if my calibration doesn't look like anything I actually display with? I can guess that prepress work will be more accurate in most respects, or I hope so anyway. But how should I manage workflow for developing images for web content if I am unable to match up what I'm editing with what the end user will see?
Or maybe I'm just doing something wrong...or maybe photoshop is...or I don't know what. Where do I go from here? Is WCS implicated in this somewhere?
Luke

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Hi,
I'm new to JAVA 2D so I may be missing something obvious - apologies if I am, but I've been trawling the API and web to try and solve this for many hours - so any help would be much appreciated!
I'm trying to write an application to open a JPEG with an embedded colour profile (in this case AdobeRGB) and display it with correct colour on my monitor, for which I have an accurate custom hardware calibrated profile. In my efforts to do this several problems / queries have arisen.
So, JAVA aside, the concept is simple:
a) Open the image
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c) Blit it out to the window.
(a) is fine. I've used the following code snip, and can query the resulting BufferedImage and see it has correctly extracted the AdobeRGB profile. I can even display it (non-color corrected) using the Graphics2D.drawImage() function in my components paint() method.
BufferedImage img = ImageIO.read(new File("my-adobe-rgb.jpg"));(b) Also seems OK (well at least no exceptions)...
ICC_Profile monitorProfile = ICC_Profile.getInstance("Monitor_Calibrated.icm");
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QUESTION 1: Does this conversion go through the CIEXYZ (I hope) rather than sRGB, there seems to be no way to specify and the docs are not clear on this?
(c) Here is the major problem...
When I pass imgColorAdjusted to the Graphic2D.drawImage() in my components paint() method the JVM just hangs and consumes 100% CPU.
QUESTION 2: Any ideas why it hangs?
Pausing in the debugger I found the API was busy transforming by image to sRGB this leads to my third question...
QUESTION 3: If I pass an image with a color model to drawImage() does drawImage do any color conversion, e.g will it transform my adobe image to sRGB (not what I want in this case!)?
And if answer to Q3 is yes, which I suspect it is, then the next question is how to make the J2D understand that I have a calibrated monitor, and to tell it the profile, so that the Graphics2D it provides in paint() has the correct color model. Looking in the API I thought this was provided to J2D through the GraphicsEnviroment->GraphicsDevice->GraphicsConfiguration.getColorModel(). I tried looking at what these configurations were (code below). Result - 10 configurations, all with the JAVA 2D sRGB default, despite my monitor colour management (through the windows display properties dialog) being set to the calibrated profile.
QUESTION 4: Am I just off track here - does Java 2D support monitor profiles other than sRGB? Is what I am trying possible?
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Any help much appreciated.
Thanks.

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Q1. Yes the conversion is done using XYZ as it should be.
Q2. I believe paint is just very slow, not hanging. Any color model other than XYZ or sRGB requires conversion before it can be displayed (as sRGB). This is both slow and incorrect for a calibrated monitor.
Q3. Yes that is what I have found, a conversion to sRGB will always happen, unless it appears to be already done as when the color model is sRGB (even though the pixel data is not!).
Q4. It is possible but apparently only with this somewhat strange work around. If there is a way to change the Java display profile to be other than sRGB, I could not find it either. However, calibrated RGB display can be achieved.
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import java.awt.color.*;
import java.awt.image.*;
import java.io.IOException;
import javax.media.jai.*;
import javax.swing.*;
* @author keitht
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