Configuring CE-PE link on Frame Relay over ATM

Hi!
Need you guys expert opinion on how to configure configuring CE-PE link on Frame Relay over ATM. I am stump by this one because I never done it before. The CE is a Cisco 7206 with ATM PA and the parameters given to us is DLCI number in x/y format...isn't that the format for PVC. When asked, my SP contact says that it is indeed FR over ATM. Any of you guys who have experience to guide on this or point me in the right direction is most welcome. Thanks
Rgds
Helme

Hello Helme,
ask your provider if they are doing FR to ATM service interworking.
In that case one side is configured for Frame-Relay and the other side for ATM
Service interworking is done by provider.
Verify that you have the same MTU on both sides and configure following ISP specifications
ATM uses two numbers to identify a PVC
int atm 4/0
no ip address
no shut
int atm 4/0.1 point-to-point
mtu 1500
ip address x.x.x.1 255.255.255.252
pvc x/y
enc aal5snap
protocol ip x.x.x.2 broadcast
this should be enough to have it working
on the other side configure or have a point-to-point subif configured on FR
see this example
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk39/tk53/technologies_configuration_example09186a00801747e3.shtml
Hope to help
Giuseppe

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