Connecting 2nd monitor to powermac g4 for FCP & hd lcd tv as prod. monitor?

Ok, so I'm starting to
become a bit more ambitious in my dv shooting and wanted to accustom
myself to a more "professional" set-up. right now I'm working with my
powermac g4, 1.42ghz dual processor, superdrive, 1g ram...blah blah blah.
I suppose it's one of the more powerful models sold several months to a
year before the g5's were advertised, if all this even matters. Anyway, my
g4 already comes connect ready for a second monitor which I'm planning to
buy in the near future. I currently use a 19in neovo lcd and I'd like to
get a widescreen 19 or 20 inch lcd as my second monitor. I can't afford a
professional production monitor anytime soon so i wondered if i could use
an hd tv monitor as an alternative to see how the final product will
actually look. I'm prepared to squeeze out around $400. Also, would this
require additional hardware or cards of some sort?
Here's a link to an example of a tv monitor:
http://shopping.comcast.net/search_getprod.php?masterid=13310219&search=Philips
Any suggestions? Particularly in the "how to" technical arena.
THANKS ALOT!!
power mac g4 Mac OS X (10.2.x)

Well the lcd that I provided the link for would be the production monitor to hopefully see how a television would view the finished product. I've got my eye on something like the Acer AL1916W - 19" LCD WideScreen for my widescreen #2 monitor. *just in case I confused anyone. As you suggested though, I will be researching more for the # monitor. Thanks again.

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Shane's Stock Answer #8:
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