COPA : Accounting Based and Costing Based
Hello Guru's,
We are on ECC 6.0 and BI 7.3. Our customer is going to implement Accounting based COPA and Costing based COPA in ECC. We have a requirement to have both the Accounting based and Costing based COPA analysis available in BI.
My questions and concerns:
If we configure both type of COPA in ECC then Can we create both type of data sources also in ECC ? one for Accounting based COPA and one for Costing based copa ? If yes then do we need to have 2 infocubes in BI or one infocube with mapping of both the data source will work ? ... do please correct me or suggest me.
Regards,
Komik Shah
Hi Sridhar,
Thanks for your reply, can you explain if we want to stop one of the method, what is the steps that need to be done?
thanks again!
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Hi
I intend to implement COPA for my customer, but only COPA account-based.
As my knowledge about COPA, costing based uses value fields instead of account as in account based.
But when i demo in client 800 (IDES), I realized that many diffirences between costing based and account based. It seem to be not only relevant to the value fields and account based.
For example:
when i post an invoice (fb50) in FI, then click profit segment field. I can not find characteristics that i want to post to such as material group. And there is nowhere for choosing all characteristics in client.
How can i find the way to post to characteristics that i want to post to directly from FI to PA?
Another example:
when I create report in PA account-based, there are limited characteristics in compare with PA costing based, so I can not choose profit segments i want?
What's the problem here?
Is it possible? Which problems can I meet if i do not use costing-based?
I am apreciated any help of you!
ThanksCouple of things:
In Account based CO-PA:
1. You can't get Cost component break down.
2. No break down of variance categories.
3. Create a Characteristic in KEA5 and add to operating conern in KEA0. KEQ3 is to define segment level characteristics. To improve system performance, you can also restrict the characteristics that make up the profitability segment.
4. When you add a characteristic to operating concern, then by default that characteristic is available at the time of document entry. We use characteristic groups to determine what characteristics appear in which order on the screens for assigning profitability segments in different business transactions. If no characteristic groups are defined, the user can enter values for any characteristic in the operating concern.
5. Account based CO-PA uses the same tables (COEP, COEJ, COSP, COSS etc.,) as used by overhead cost management, whereas costing based COPA has it's own tables. The definitions of profitability segments for both CO-PA sub-modules are stored in the same table, the CE4XXXX table (where XXXX = operating concern).
6. Period account approach, unlike costing based which is cost of sales accounting approach.
7. Account-based CO-PA stores all transaction in three currencies: the transaction currency, the local currency, and the controlling area currency.
Also, check SAP note 69384 on account based COPA.
What kind of business is your client in? What reporting is he expecting out of CO-PA?
Edited by: Pradeep kumar Athmakur on Dec 31, 2009 6:32 PM -
Dear All,
I had created two DataSource for COPA one is Cost Based and another is Account Based using T-code KEB0 in R/3 Dev. I can able to see the data in RSA3 for Cost Based but when come the Account Based it is giving "Error Occured during the extraction" (When i get into the Help -During the extraction phase an error occurred for the extractor. An exception, 'error_passed_to_mess_handler' was triggered.-).
Could any one please help me in creating of COPA Account Based, and please do help me in some notes.
Thanks in advance,
PrashanthHi all,
the solution is:
the extractor needs a summarization level in CO-PA --> see OSS 392635 (TC KEDV).
After Creation of this level you have to build new level (TC KEDU) --> fill with data.
After this you have to create the datasource CO-PA.
Notice: lucky time entry: e.g. 2005.001 in RSA3, RSA6
Questions remains: why does this information/hint (sum. level missing?) is not included in the error message.
Dieter -
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I checked the table CE4xxxx_acct and find that it has already in it, however when I check tcode KEQ3 I found that this field is not in the list.
So can anybody tell me the reason and advice? the posting data is important for the report. Also if possible, may I include the COPA document number into the COPA account based datasource?
thanks very much!Hi,
The posting date BUDAT is not a characteristic ; its just a technical field.
There is a logical reason for this
The CE4XXXX table basically holds a unique PA segment no for a unique combination of characteristics. For example let us say you have only 2 characteristics customer and product. Then let us say for customer 1 and product 1 you have PA no 1; for customer 2 and product 2 PA no 2 and so on. Every time you post a document with customer 1 and product 1 the same PA no 1 will be reused i.e. no new entry will be made to CE4XXXX.
Now if you were to introduce a new characteristic called date in this table then every time the date changes a new PA no will have to be generated and the entries in CE4 table will grow. This will make reporting more difficult and will also cause performance problems.
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Accounting 1 and Costing 1 View in Material Master
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Edited by: Afshad Irani on Apr 22, 2010 10:56 PM -
COPA account based extractor (Bill type field FKART) missing
Hello Experts,
I am new to COPA and currently working on account based COPA DataSource on ECC 6.0 & BI 7.0.
I have created the DataSource in KEB0 for account based by selecting the appropriate operating concern. One of the field requirements for me is to have billing doc type but it is not available in KEB0 or in RSA6.
When checked in KEA0 billing type (FKART) is available as display fixed fields.
Main menu -> extras -> display fixed fields.
Could you please let me know how to get this part of my DataSource?
Does enhancing the DataSource is only the solution?
Highly appreciate your help.
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We have an account based COPA Datasource modified to add another characteristic.
All the pre-reqs involving this re-generation( new characteristic in same operating concern) have been done by R/3 consultant. During Transport, it works fine in all instances but production. All the R/3 checks(KEDV,KEB0 ...) have been performed and summarization levels have been generated. In BW everything is in order, but when trying to load data(full load) it fails with zero records. The error message is
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Any thoughts?
Thanks!Thanks Sam for your answer.
The R/3 functional consultant confirms that the summarization levels are generated properly and nothing seems to be amiss there.
Is there a SAP note on this?
Thanks for your answers . Any more thoughts ? -
Hi,
Can any one explain the procedure to prepare account based COPA report.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks
D.K.Lakshmi NarayanaHi,
You can try KE31-KE34 for managing reports in COPA. KE30 has the list of reports.
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PO with account category and cost center as mandatory fields.
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I have to customize a PO with Account Category as mandatory and the PO always must have the same G/L account and Cost Center.
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I need to know there is any function module available to get cost centre from gl account number or any other way to get that?(requirement is to add cost cente in a report copied from f.08 standard report).
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Moderator: Please, avoid asking basic questionsHi,
In FBL3N, give the following details:
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Capturing COGS in COPA without VPRS and Costing Keys
Hi all,
We have 20 branches selling across india and corporate office is controlling all
the branches.
So when billing is done thru a particular branch, Corp. Off does not want branch people to view the cost of goods which is captured thru VPRS in condition screen of billing document. So VPRS has been removed from pricing procedure.
In the above scenario we can transfer COGS using costing key and transfer the standard cost to COPA.
But for the materials for which there is no standard cost (like trading goods) how the cost of traded goods will flow to COPA without using VPRS condition.
Please help me out.
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For trading goods, normally a purchase order should be prevailing for procuring the same and selling it to the customer with a markup...When you do the goods receipt using MT101, using a substitution rule you can transfer the cost to the profitability segment which is product hierarchy and you can capture the cost of the material without a VPRS pricing condition and a standard price in the material master.
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In present client Costing based COPA is in Production. As its not Reconciling with FI the management has decided to active Accounting based COPA.
So what are the steps pre req conditions i need to take and what the steps to activate the Accounting based COPA
Thanks,
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I want you to check this [link|Re: Accounting based COPA] first and then this [link|COPA Account Based copa;. Please post back on what you feel.
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What is Account-Based Costing ?
Hi,
Can anyone tell me, what is Account-based costing? What is role of it ?Hi,
Two forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c37ef4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
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