COPA : account based vs cost based?

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Can somebody clearly explain me the difference between AB and CB COPA types
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COPA account-based only!

Hi
I intend to implement COPA for my customer, but only COPA account-based.
As my knowledge about COPA, costing based uses value fields instead of account as in account based.
But when i demo in client 800 (IDES), I realized that many diffirences between costing based and account based. It seem to be not only relevant to the value fields and account based.
For example:
when i post an invoice (fb50) in FI, then click profit segment field. I can not find characteristics that i want to post to such as material group. And there is nowhere for choosing all characteristics in client.
How can i find the way to post to characteristics that i want to post to directly from FI to PA?
Another example:
when I create report in PA account-based, there are limited characteristics in compare with PA costing based, so I can not choose profit segments i want?
What's the problem here?
Is it possible? Which problems can I meet if i do not use costing-based?
I am apreciated any help of you!
Thanks

Couple of things:
In Account based CO-PA:
1. You can't get Cost component break down.
2. No break down of variance categories.
3. Create a Characteristic in KEA5 and add to operating conern in KEA0. KEQ3 is to define segment level characteristics. To improve system performance, you can also restrict the characteristics that make up the profitability segment.
4. When you add a characteristic to operating concern, then by default that characteristic is available at the time of document entry. We use characteristic groups to determine what characteristics appear in which order on the screens for assigning profitability segments in different business transactions. If no characteristic groups are defined, the user can enter values for any characteristic in the operating concern.
5. Account based CO-PA uses the same tables (COEP, COEJ, COSP, COSS etc.,) as used by overhead cost management, whereas costing based COPA has it's own tables. The definitions of profitability segments for both CO-PA sub-modules are stored in the same table, the CE4XXXX table (where XXXX = operating concern).
6. Period account approach, unlike costing based which is cost of sales accounting approach.
7. Account-based CO-PA stores all transaction in three currencies: the transaction currency, the local currency, and the controlling area currency.
Also, check SAP note 69384 on account based COPA.
What kind of business is your client in? What reporting is he expecting out of CO-PA?
Edited by: Pradeep kumar Athmakur on Dec 31, 2009 6:32 PM

COPA Account Based Problem

Dear All,
I had created two DataSource for COPA one is Cost Based and another is Account Based using T-code KEB0 in R/3 Dev. I can able to see the data in RSA3 for Cost Based but when come the Account Based it is giving "Error Occured during the extraction" (When i get into the Help -During the extraction phase an error occurred for the extractor. An exception, 'error_passed_to_mess_handler' was triggered.-).
Could any one please help me in creating of COPA Account Based, and please do help me in some notes.
Thanks in advance,
Prashanth

Hi all,
the solution is:
the extractor needs a summarization level in CO-PA --> see OSS 392635 (TC KEDV).
After Creation of this level you have to build new level (TC KEDU) --> fill with data.
After this you have to create the datasource CO-PA.
Notice: lucky time entry: e.g. 2005.001 in RSA3, RSA6
Questions remains: why does this information/hint (sum. level missing?) is not included in the error message.
Dieter

How can I create ACCT_BUDAT into COPA account based data source?

hi Friends,
I create a COPA data source use standard BI function: KEB0 and find that the posting data(ACCT_BUDAT ) can not include into it.
I checked the table CE4xxxx_acct and find that it has already in it, however when I check tcode KEQ3 I found that this field is not in the list.
So can anybody tell me the reason and advice? the posting data is important for the report. Also if possible, may I include the COPA document number into the COPA account based datasource?
thanks very much!

Hi,
   The posting date BUDAT is not a characteristic ; its just a technical field.
   There is a logical reason for this
The CE4XXXX table basically holds a unique PA segment no for a unique combination of characteristics. For example let us say you have only 2 characteristics customer and product. Then let us say for customer 1 and product 1 you have PA no 1; for customer 2 and product 2 PA no 2 and so on. Every time you post a document with customer 1 and product 1 the same PA no 1 will be reused i.e. no new entry will be made to CE4XXXX.
   Now if you were to introduce a new characteristic called date in this table then every time the date changes a new PA no will have to be generated and the entries in CE4 table will grow. This will make reporting more difficult and will also cause performance problems.
regards
Waman

COPA : Accounting Based and Costing Based

Hello Guru's,
We are on ECC 6.0 and BI 7.3. Our customer is going to implement Accounting based COPA and Costing based COPA in ECC. We have a requirement to have both the Accounting based and Costing based COPA analysis available in BI.
My questions and concerns:
If we configure both type of COPA in ECC then Can we create both type of data sources also in ECC ? one for Accounting based COPA and one for Costing based copa ? If yes then do we need to have 2 infocubes in BI or one infocube with mapping of both the data source will work ? ... do please correct me or suggest me.
Regards,
Komik Shah

Hi Sridhar,
Thanks for your reply, can you explain if we want to stop one of the method, what is the steps that need to be done?
thanks again!

COPA account based extractor (Bill type field FKART) missing

Hello Experts,
I am new to COPA and currently working on account based COPA DataSource on ECC 6.0 & BI 7.0.
I have created the DataSource in KEB0 for account based by selecting the appropriate operating concern. One of the field requirements for me is to have billing doc type but it is not available in KEB0 or in RSA6.
When checked in KEA0 billing type (FKART) is available as display fixed fields.
Main menu -> extras -> display fixed fields.
Could you please let me know how to get this part of my DataSource?
Does enhancing the DataSource is only the solution?
Highly appreciate your help.
Best Regards
VJ

Hi Vijay!
If your current scenario does not present you with the standard extractor from the source system, perhaps you should try to create a generic datasource for your business requirements.

COPA Account based Report

Hi,
Can any one explain the procedure to prepare account based COPA report.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks
D.K.Lakshmi Narayana

Hi,
You can try KE31-KE34 for managing reports in COPA. KE30 has the list of reports.
Rgds.

COPA Account based extraction error

We have an account based COPA Datasource modified to add another characteristic.
All the pre-reqs involving this re-generation( new characteristic in same operating concern) have been done by R/3 consultant. During Transport, it works fine in all instances but production. All the R/3 checks(KEDV,KEB0 ...) have been performed and summarization levels have been generated. In BW everything is in order, but when trying to load data(full load) it fails with zero records. The error message is
"No source could be found to answer the search query"
Any thoughts?
Thanks!

Thanks Sam for your answer.
The R/3 functional consultant confirms that the summarization levels are generated properly and nothing seems to be amiss there.
Is there a SAP note on this?
Thanks for your answers . Any more thoughts ?

Accounting based COPA Activation

Hi Guys,
In present client Costing based COPA is in Production. As its not Reconciling with FI the management has decided to active Accounting based COPA.
So what are the steps pre req conditions i need to take and what the steps to activate the Accounting based COPA
Thanks,
Santosh

Hi,
I want you to check this [link|Re: Accounting based COPA] first and then this [link|COPA Account Based copa;. Please post back on what you feel.
Hope this helps.

What is Account-Based Costing ?

Hi,
Can anyone tell me, what is Account-based costing? What is role of it ?

Hi,
Two forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c37ef4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
Have many thread for you:
COPA - Account Based & Costing Based clarification required...

CO-PA Activate Account-based

Can we activate Account-based CO-PA on an existing operating concern with costing-based postings already used or does a new operating concern with both costing and account based options checked need to be created?

HI,
Yes, you can. Check this link for more details:
COPA Account Based copa
Hope this helps.

Account-based COPA and having Cost Center as Real Object in Sales Order

Hi,
We have recently activated account-based COPA and in our SO, we realized the Profitability Segment being populated- that is not a problem in normal scenarios.
However, in some cases, we would like to charge to a cost center instead of COPA. We have tried the 2 ways mentioned in the forum/on the web to include Cost Center in Sales Order:
1. Go to OVF3 t-code and configure a default cost center for the order reason
2. Change the SD Document Category under 'Define Sales Document Types' to 'I- Order w/o charge'.
However both ways only open the Cost center field but still populates the COPA. At accounting entries, cost center will become a statistical object and COPA, the real object- which is not what we want.
Is there a way to stop the auto-populating of Profitabiltiy Segment in SO when cost center is being entered?
Thanks very much in advance for any suggestions.
Regards,
Huimin

Solved by myself, with help of OSS Note: 44381 - Profitability Segment Not Required in SD Postings. Have a CO substitution rule to clear away the Profitability Segment number based on certain conditions. Thanks!

Activating Account based Copa in the existing Cost-based COPA

Hi Sap CO gurus!
Please advise me for the following issue.
Presently, My client using Cost-based COPA for segment wise reporting.( Already activated).
Now they wanted the reports in Account Based. Is it possible to activate the Account based now? Will the system allow us to activate or not?
If yes, What will be the implications? I want to know the pros and cons for that.
If not, How Can I edit the COPA settings( Operating concern)? Or shall I delete the Operating concern and create one new one?
Can you please explain the impact of each situation?
Thanks a lot in advance
Rama

Hi Joe
You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
The IMG Menu is SPRO > Controlling > Prof Analysis
You will have to do a testing of how the open sales orders would behave... The open sales orders mean Sales Orders where PGI has been done, but billing is pending AS WELL AS Sales orders which are just created, but no Logistics movement (PGI) has taken place... You will have to do testing on both types of sales orders
- When you do PGI after deactivating the account based COPA, you may face error. Because, COGS GL account is a cost element in Account based COPA, where as in Costing based COPA, it is usually not a Cost Element
- Also do a billing from an open sales order and see if you get any error there...
Similar issue can arise during variance settlement also, because the variance account is not a cost ele in Costing Based COPA.
Test out the above scenarios and do share your experiences
Regards
Ajay M

Account Based COPA Cost of goods sold and Revenue Split

Dear Experts,
We are using account based copa in a automobile company.
As per the requirement when a car is sold, depending on the customer request the car goes for a conversion. like adding Radio, Seat cover, etc
As per our setup we have different profit centers for vehicle and Parts(radio, seat cover etc) and in this case radio, seat cover, etc are the classes of the material vehicle(not separate material).
After the vehicle conversion there is a sales order raised which goes to profit center derived from vehicle material master.
As per the reporting requirement I need to spit the Cost of good sold and revenue by vehicle profit center and parts profit center for COPA reporting purpose
Is there any way to do this in standard SAP? Or I need an exit?
Appreciate your response and please let me know in case of any clarification.
Many thanks
Roy
Edited by: roy001 on Aug 4, 2011 4:52 PM

For those who may need an answer to this, our solution was the following:
1)       Created new types for SO, SO Item, Sched. Line, Delivery, Delivery Item, Billing type
2)       Created new Pricing procedure
3)       Created new movement type Y61/Y62 modeled after 601/602
4)       Mapped Y61/Y62 to account modifier ZAX.
5)       Mapped GBB/ZAX to the new account.
Benefits, they now have better view of the orders going inter-company. It is flexible enough to adjusting prices for intercompany separate from standard orders, even though for now it is a straight copy of cost. They are able to remove the sales/use tax, from the calculations. They are able to plan with these orders separated out. Plus, this will standardize their process for inter-company.
Hope this helps someone.
Cheers!
Rick

COST ELEMENTS IN ACCOUNT BASED COPA

Hi all,
1. I understand that all FI/GL accounts correspond to COST   ELEMENTS in COPA.
2. I also understand that there are NO value fields in an Account Based Profitability Analysis.So there is no VALUE FIELD to KEY FIGURE mapping.
3. My question is: how do we map each individual GL account into BI?
4. If we dont map each individual GL account, how do we report these accounts in BI?
This part of Account based has been very confusing. I have searched numerous posts, but they all have the same answers, none that explains how we handle the numeric fields of account based profitability analysis.
Cheers
TJ

You will have a KF lets say amount
In account based COPA your Cost and revenue elements will identify what does the value in this KF corresponds to.
your report will look something like below:
Ex:
Cost and Revenue Element #     Amount
800 - Revenues                     1,000,000
808 - Sales deductions             100,000
800 - 808 = Net Revenue            900,000
893 - Cost of Sales               90,000
231 - Price Difference              10,000
Total                               1,000,000
You may get amount from source system in 2-3 diff currencies like controlling area curr, transaction curr...
Sometimes range of accounts correspond to a value. Ex: Accounts 800-900 resemble revenue.
In such a case you may create Text node in hierarchy called revenue and use it in report (if no hierarchy available from the source system) or create selection in the report.,

COPA : account based vs cost based?

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