Cost Element Category and Commitment Item Cat. for PS Cash Mgmt

Dear All,
We are activating PS Cash Mgmt.
I want to know the difference between:
1. Maintaining the Cost Element Category as 1 and 11. Is it necessary to maintain 11 (Revenues) or maintaining 1 (Primary costs/cost-reducing revenues) will have same result.
2. In Comm. Item Financial Tran. maintained is 30. But for Commitment Item Cat. as 3 (Expenditures) or 2 (Revenues) only to be assigned for revenue.
Our Client is asking to maintain everything as 3 (Expenditures) to all the commitment items. What will be the effect on PS Cash Management if I use Cost Element Category as 1 & Commitment Item Cat. as 3 ?
Regards
Shubham

Hi,
Cost element category as 1 and commint Item caterory 3 holds good for all expenses, so you can use this, with this when you process Invoice In MIRO a Project cash management document will get generated and this will update the report against the payments in CJIA as well in S_ALR_87013574 reports etc.
Combination for creating commitment items is
Cost element category 1 --> Commitment item category as 3 and Financial Transaction as 30
Cost element category 11--> Commitme nt Item category as 2 and Financial Trns as 30.
Note : what ever the G/L accounts created wrt Chart of accounts, whether it is Expenses or Inventory or Revenues, you have to assign commitment item in the G/L Master in Create/bank/interest tab in field commitment item. If it is not assigned in all modules you will get error as commitment item not assigned.
Thanks
Regards
kishore

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32-Order/Project result analysis.
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21-Internal setellment - This category of cost element is used to settle the costs collected in a cost object to another cost object within Controlling. You cannot settle to FI or any toher Module using this category of Cost Element
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regards
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