Costing and Production Version

I am doing a costing run for material that has more than one production version defined for it. I want the costing run to pick up by default a prod version that we want to use for costing. However, it does not pick that up by default and instead we have to manually assign it in CK11n. Is there any way to make that Production Version default in the costing run. Please let me know. Thank you

Hi,
You can maintain the default Production version in Material Master - Costing1 View, under Quantity Structure section.
Hope this helps... Reward your points,
Regards,
Prasobh

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Edited by: Ryan on Dec 12, 2008 9:40 AM
Edited by: Ryan on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 AM

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