Cross Reference an Object??

How do I cross reference an object using Indesign CS4?
I've got a PDF that I've dropped into a frame, which I applied an Object Style. Now I need to create a cross references in the document, that point to the PDF (a chart). I've got to do this with several PDF's.
When I go to create a cross reference, I can only apply it a Paragraph Style or a Text Anchor, I don't get an Object Style to choose from.
I could put some text in behind the chart, and arrage the chart to the front, but i'd rather create a cross reference to the Object itself.
What do i do?

sammy003 wrote:
How do I cross reference an object using Indesign CS4?
I've got a PDF that I've dropped into a frame, which I applied an Object Style. Now I need to create a cross references in the document, that point to the PDF (a chart). I've got to do this with several PDF's.
When I go to create a cross reference, I can only apply it a Paragraph Style or a Text Anchor, I don't get an Object Style to choose from.
I could put some text in behind the chart, and arrage the chart to the front, but i'd rather create a cross reference to the Object itself.
What do i do?
Cross-references only point to text - either a text anchor or a paragraph - not to objects.
If your placed PDF is in an anchored frame, you can point the cross-reference to the paragraph in which the frame is anchored.
If your placed PDF is not in an anchored frame, you can do what you suggest above, or you have these other options:
* place the PDF into a text frame
* create a text frame and group it with the PDF; point the cross-reference to the paragraph in the text frame, or insert a text anchor in the text and point the cross-reference to it.
* you can paste the grouped PDF and text frame object into a text frame to make it an anchored frame.
The idea of a cross-reference is usually to point to a caption or heading. You can't point to the text in a placed PDF because it's really a graphic. You'll probably want a caption to identify the chart. The caption is the text you cross-reference to. The caption can be in the paragraph that holds the anchor, in a text frame grouped with the graphic, in a paragraph above or below the graphic, or in an anchored frame that's positioned near the graphic.
If your layout will not reflow, you probably don't need an anchored frame, but if the layout will reflow, you'll want to use the ability of an anchored to move with the text.
Read about cross-references and anchored frames in Help. If your caption will be numbered, such as "Figure 3," also read about numbered lists and numbering properties of paragraph styles.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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