Deciding between a Quad-Core and 8-Core

Hi, I am getting ready to purchase a new Mac Pro and trying to decide between a Quad-Core with 3.33 and 16 GB RAM or 8-Core with 2.26 and 32 MB RAM.
I use Adobe CS4 Photoshop, Illustrator, Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Flash, InDesign, Quark 8, Parallels, MS Office and occasionally Final Cut Pro 5.
My current machine is almost four years old. I keep my machines 3-4 years.
Any advice or suggestions?

Partitioning a boot drive helps... if the 2nd partition is just junk, clutter, static files, archived, or maybe those "Download" or updates you want to keep around for later.
Another use, a small 30GB emergency-only boot volume to do repairs (but best to be on one of your other drives of course, using small portion.
A 640GB WD Caviar Black is cheap and fast and nothing to sneeze at (stock OEM boot drive, doesn't hurt). A pair of 10K 300GB is nice, or two in RAID0.
System - Data - Scratch - Backup is a good way to use the 4 drive bays.
BUT! and HOWEVER! having at most 20GB (and probably less) is not a good idea. 10GB free minimum is cutting it close. Programs and the system like free space - unfragmented too. I try to keep 50% free, or at least 60GB. And find a 150GB is fine - for just the OS and applications (though apps can vary, X-Plane can take 60GB itself).
So I'd pick up a drive today, whether $70 640GB or 10K 300GB $189 (try Newegg too).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136555&Tpk=VelociRaptor %20600GB
You can always add drives and use some for backups (2 for each volume you have at least). The main thing, to get the Mac you need or want.
The 3.33's do show up on SPECIALS, and go even quicker
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/mac_pro
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All other things being equal 4-cores are twice as fast as 2-cores. This is regardless of what you are doing. The only way a 2-core processor would be as fast is if it were run at twice the clock speed. But the 2-core CPU is only clocked around 10% or so faster. Now, for all that you claim you will be doing the relevant question is do you need 4-cores. My answer is that you don't. But the 2-core machine will be slower - all things being equal.
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Your comments on graphics pretty much confirm the majority of what I've been reading on other sites.
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