Default ACR camera profiles always criticized: why?

A little theme for ACR users (and programmers team):
The most "diffused" issue against using ACR instead of "branded" software (Nikon Capture NX o Canon DPP to name the most used) is:
The colors in ACR seem "washed" or with no "punch"!
If You calibrate ACR with a GM 24 panel colors regains a new life.
But WHY?
How can be possible that the 2 (yes two) profiles created by the Thomas Knoll team are ALWAYS more washed (Nikons reds are always offs) than a homemade shot of the GM panel made by a user? Yes, cameras have tolerances but how big they are?
The factory preset should be the more precise! But to obtain good deltaE values (the error time in perceiving colors) ACR users are FORCED to recalibrate ACR.
Why? Cannot be created a series of profiles (by Adobe) to be more like the brand company color rendering?
If ACR had better factory calibrations (contrast or brightness differences doesn't give so much pain) instead of washed colors, many NX or DPP users would use ACR for sure! It has many advantages over other softwares.
Can an Adobe profile-maker staff member give an answer to this theme?
Or some forum user has some ideas?
Thanks!

Personally, I have found that the results produced by ACR from my Nikon D70, D200, and D3 are not that different from those produced by Nikon Capture (Nikon's raw converter, which gives results very similar to in camera JPEGs) when the camera rendering options are set to neutral.
Nikon Capture reads the camera settings and applies them, whereas ACR ignores settings except for white balance. By neutral, I mean normal contrast, normal saturation, no hue adjustments, and a normal tone curve. The camera factory defaults vary. Cameras for the amateur market tend to have settings favoring saturation and contrast, whereas the professional cameras tend to have a more neutral default. These defaults are usually given in the DPReview writeup for the camera.
Since the OP asked for some ΔEs, here they are. I photographed a MacBeth color checker with the D200 with daylight illumination. Settings were: Color Mode, II; Tone Compensation, normal: Hue Adjustment, 0; Saturation, normal; and Sharpening, none. I then compared the results from ACR and Nikon Capture NX with Imatest, which gives the ΔEs, presented here in graphical format.
Color checker with NC using normal camera settings:
http://bjanes.smugmug.com/photos/216270605_RK5fe-O.jpg
Color checker with ACR default settings:
http://bjanes.smugmug.com/photos/216270602_twDZB-O.jpg
NC analysis with normal camera settings:
http://bjanes.smugmug.com/photos/164349487_rWTQN-O.png
ACR analysis with default settings:
http://bjanes.smugmug.com/photos/164350910_FMqRN-O.png
ACR post calibration with Fors Script:
http://bjanes.smugmug.com/photos/172494801_9vACX-O.png
For help in interpreting the charts, the reader should refer to the Imatest web site, which has detailed explanations. In summary, the further from the white point in the center of the plot, the more saturated the color is. Shifts in hue are indicated by shifts in the *a, *b axes. As can be seen from the plots, the ACR rendering is actually slightly more saturated and has overall better color accuracy then the NC rendering. The Fors script calibration gives near "ideal" camera results with ACR.
As Thomas Knoll and others have pointed out, a neutral rendering is often not the most pleasing one, and saturation and contrast are often boosted, but this is a personal preference.
With the Fors script, the ACR settings are set to a very flat image. After calibration, the ACR controls are reset to normal and the calibration settings (in their own tab are left as set by the script).
http://bjanes.smugmug.com/gallery/2572598_U5Bow/1/172494801_9vACX#137154990_ketk5-O-LB
If you re-run the Imatest analysis after calibraiton with the normal settings restored, the colors are quite saturated and you must talk this into account when using the script calibration.
http://bjanes.smugmug.com/photos/163194057_NEAYm-O.png

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