Default Color Space

Safari is color managed and that is great, but I understand if it encounters an un-tagged file it assumes monitor space, I'd like to know if it can be changed to assume sRGB for un-tagged files?
Thanks.
Patrick

The reason I ask is that (in another forum) I recall asking Andrew Rodney (Digitaldog) and he mentioned that it used monitor space. If it does, it definitely doesn't sound like a very good idea.
I hope you're right. I'll have to play around with Safari, Photoshop, and my monitor profile to see if I can prove it for myself.
Thanks for the reply.
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