Differences between Costing based COPA and Account based COPA
Hi,
I wanted to know the main differences between Costing based COPA and Account based COPA?
For which scenarios account based COPA used and for which scenarios costing based copa used.
please guide me
sateesh
HI
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
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Vijayanand Sankaran
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Difference between cost component structure and cost component split
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santoshHi ,
cost component structure
Definition
Number that identifies the structure.
Use
In Product Cost Controlling, the cost component structure determines how the results of material costing are updated. The cost component structure groups the costs for each material according to cost component (such as material costs, internal activities, external activities, and overhead). If the material is used in the production of another material, the cost component split (which breaks down the costs according to material costs, internal activities, external activities, overhead, and so forth) remains in the system when the costs are rolled up.
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Thanks & regards
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Costing based and account based
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Kindly let me know difference between costing based copa and accounting based copa with examples
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PhaneendraTwo forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups
costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches,
both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to
a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in
accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing
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a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
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(courtesy: help.sap.com)
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major reason being is that you will have significant table size impacts. You must be careful
with account based CO-PA as this creates additional line items in the existing CO tables of
COEP (actual), COEJ (plan), COSP & COSS (summary records). Hence if you want to do any
cost center reporting, say, from any of these existing tables you will run the risk that
performance will be degraded by these additional and unnecessary records.
The only advantage of account based over costing based CO-PA is it's ability to
automatically reconcile back to FI, in much the same manner as you would reconcile
cost center accounting back to FI. However you don't have the flexibility in account
based CO-PA to perform valuations using product cost estimates etc. as you do in
costing based CO-PA. If the reason you were advised to turn on account based CO-PA
as well as costing based was to facilitate reconciliation, it is suggested that you look
at alternatives that won't have the same negative impacts that turning on account
based would have. In addition to the serious table space issues, it is not that easy to
turn on and off account based at will (especially in production).
Instead what you should look at doing is creating a series of reports that enable you to
reconcile costing based CO-PA back to CCA/PCA and FI, if this is required. The complexity
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Costing-Based Profitability Analysis
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Account-Based Profitability Analysis
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what is Copa, what is the difference between cost based , Account based copa, where we can use.
can you send me please related document.
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Profitability Analysis (CO-PA) enables you to evaluate market segments, which can be classified according to products, customers, orders or any combination of these, or strategic business units, such as sales organizations or business areas, with respect to your company's profit or contribution margin.
The aim of the system is to provide your sales, marketing, product management and corporate planning departments with information to support internal accounting and decision‑making.
Two forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
· Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
· Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
You can also use both of these types of CO‑PA simultaneously.
Check this link for more help
http://help.sap.com/erp2005_ehp_02/helpdata/en/7a/4c48c64a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Costing Based And Account based COPA - Need Assistance
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In our project, with no other option we are planning to implement both costing based and account based COPA. I have been told that it is not recommended by SAP because for every entry there will two line items, one in cost based and another in account based (Correct me if I am wrong). But I could not understand why it is creating 2 line items in COPA. - Please help to understand this concept with an Example.
Thanks
PMHi
Costing based and account based COPA serve the same purpose... analyze profitability of the product ....
Costing based COPA should always be preferred over account based COPA, as it provides greater flexibility, some extra features, some extra planning mechanism and faster reports
Following are the point of differences between Costing based vs. Account based copa (ABC)
1. Account based copa uses transaction tables (COEP, BSEG) and hence affects performance of CO transactions.CBC takes values from CE1XXXX to CE4XXXX tables. XXXX means Operating Concern name.
2. Estimated / Statistical values not possible in ABC, say, calculating frieght upon invoice on a thumb rule basis to have better view of profitability per customer.. no valuation strategy in Accounts based COPA..
3. Reports based on line items not possible in ABC.. possible in CBC.
4 Actual Top Down distribution only available in CBC not in ABC .
5. Revaluation of actual data to plan data is not available in ABC
6. No key figure schemes are available in ABC
7. In ABC, settlement cost elements are used to settle values to prof segments unlike value fields in CBC
8. Production variance / COGS accounts shud be defined as cost element in ABC.
System creates a document for each type of COPA as it stores values in different tables and what you can do with this data also differs like you can do TOP down in Costing Based Copa..
Hence, you will have two COPA documents always......................
Fot further clarifications .. please revert back..
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Sarada -
Differance between the Cost based costing and Account based costing
Hi,
What is the Differance between the Cost Based Costing and Account Based Costing ?You can check sap note 69384
COSTING-BASED PROFITABILITY ACCOUNT-BASED PROFITABILITY
ANALYSIS ANALYSIS
OBJECTIVE
o profitability and sales accounting
o evaluation of market segments (for example,
customers, product groups, sales areas) and corporate
units (for example, division, sales organization) with
regard to their profit or contribution margins
o calculation of profits procedures
- cost-of-sales accounting
- interim and reconciled sales report
- periodic and transaction-based allocation
- Profitability Analysis on the basis of full and
direct costs
o posted and costing-based values o account-based values
o can be reconciled with FI for o always reconciled with
account groups (revenues, sales FI on account level
deductions, costs of goods
Note 69384 - Information: Account-based Profitability Analysis
manufactured, and so on)
DATA STRUCTURES
o definition of operating concerns o definition of operating
with fixed characteristics and concerns with fixed and useruser-
defined characteristics defined characteristics
and value fields
o cumulative storage by posting o cumulative storage by
periods and weeks posting periods
o storage in operating concern o controlling area currency,
currency (as of Release 4.0 also company code currency
optional in company code currency and transaction currency
if req.)
o user-definable summarization levels
FUNCTIONS
o transfer of profit relevant o transfer of profit-relevant
business transactions from SD, FI activities from SD, FI, CO, MM
CO, MM (revenues, sales deductions (revenues, sales deductions and
and costs organized by value fields) costs organized by accounts)
o Derivation of characteristics from master
data or using derivation rules
o Realignments also for data that is already
posted
o Valuation
(Costs of goods manufactured, imputed
costs and sales deductions)
o sales and profit planning o profit planning
- flexible layout - flexible layout
- periodic distribution - periodic distribution
- valuation, revaluation - forecast procedure
- forecast procedure - top-down distribution
- top-down distribution - simulation
- simulation
o profit analysis by means of 'interactive drill-down
reporting'
- Report Painter
- object list/ranking lists, database schema
- drill-down
- key figure systems
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I want to know that "what is the difference between Cost Center and GL Account."
RegardsHi Vidya,
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2. In GL you classify the nature of expenses like telephone expenses, travelling Exp. Salary exp etc., whereas by cost center you decide where are expenses were incurred, like Production department, Mkt. Department, HR department etc.
3. You post the FI transactions at GL level whereas the cost center are assigned to those GL account for getting the more detailed information about the expenses.
4. GL accounts are P&L and BS account and only P&L expenses accounts are posted to cost cneters. And you can choose to post it by cost center or not by defining the GL as cost element. If you do not define any GL as cost element, it will not post to cost centers.
I hope it answers your question.
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Difference between Cost Centre and Cost Element.
Hi Guru's,
what is the difference between Cost Centre and Cost Element.
regards
JKHi,
Cost elements:
A cost element classifies the organization's valuated consumption of production factors within a controlling area
Primary Element - costs that originate outside the company; relate directly to the income statement in FI and must be included in the FI Chart of Accounts
Secondary Element - costs that result from internal allocation activities; NO relation to G/L accounts in FI. These accounts are exclusively for cost accounting and are only maintained in CO
Cost centre :
Organizational unit within a controlling area that represents a defined location of cost incurrence. The definition can be based on:
Functional requirements
Allocation criteria
Physical location
Responsibility for costs
Defines the smallest area of responsibility within the company that causes and influences costs; the lowest level to which you can meaningfully assign direct and indirect costs
If this meets your requirement, you may like to close the posting.
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