Direct LCD Comparison: PB versus MBP

Hey everyone,
As luck would have it, I own both a PB and a MBP. Some MBP owners have been wondering if there has been a downgrade in LCD quality since the PB. I can say with much certainty that the PB LCD is indeed superior. Here's why:
1. PB display has little to no color-shift. On my MBP I have to position my eyes at just the right level to get a decent evenness of the on-screen colors. Move my head just a little and brightness and colors shift dramatically. This effect actually gives me a headache. On my PB I can view the screen from many angles with no problem.
2. PB display is larger. This is more of a personal preference, but I do miss those missing pixels on the MBP. I do a lot of photography and coincidentally, my PB display is the exact same aspect ratio as the photos taken with my Canon 350D.
3. PB display has no graininess. Looking at my PB display, everything is solid. On my MBP everything looks shimmery and speckled. Both screens are matte, but maybe the MBP is using a different kind of coating?
Anyhoo, I just wanted to post this direct comparison and maybe put some users' minds to rest. You guys and girls aren't crazy. There is a difference. What can be done about it, I'm not sure.
Cheers,
Friday
PB and MBP Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Direct PBG4 and MBP CD2 display comparision:
All images are taken in the same positions, light conditionz and exposure (manually set with a Canon EOS 350D).
- Uniform white background with 3 different angles:
http://homepage.mac.com/picov/MBPCD2PBG4TI_WHITE1024.jpg
- Orizzontal fade from black to white with 3 different angles:
http://homepage.mac.com/picov/MBPCD2PBG4TI_FADE1024.jpg
A movie test for vertical visual angle width:
Note that the the fade movement is more uniform in the old PBG4.
Into the MBP CD2 movie, also note the reduced vertical visual angle resulting in a white spot on the right that goes up and down:
- MacBook Pro Core Duo 2 15"
http://homepage.mac.com/picov/MBPCD2_FADE.mov
- PowerBook G4 Titanium 15" 1GHz
http://homepage.mac.com/picov/PBG4TI_FADE.mov
I'm hoping that this is related to a defective LCDs series.
Now I'm waiting for a replacement of the first model I've received.

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For quite a few months I monitored these forums to see how the new retina MBP would go over. I do know that forums are usually the places were people with problems appear. Rarely do you get people showing up and saying everything is just great. So you need to take these forums with a grain of salt and use them to guide your decision making.
So I followed the heat thread, the burn-in thread and a number of others.
I'm a programmer by trade. I use VMWare Fusion every day and I often need tons of RAM. Flash disk is also almost required these days as I need to switch between things quite quickly. So when the retina MBP was introduced my drool production went up about a thousand fold!   I've been working on the following models:
A 2008 MBP pro 17" with a core2duo, 4gb RAM and a 256gb drive
Sold that and got:
A 2010 MBP pro, high-res 15" display core i7 with 8gb of RAM.
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The battery life on the 2010 sucked. I NEVER got more than a couple of hours out of it.   I also noticed that even after a nice fresh clean Lion install with few programs and processes the processors worked hard. This machine got hot and burned through battery power like a million candle spot light. Still it was a great machine and I did millions of lines of code on that machine.
But since the introduction of the retina MBP with its 16gb of RAM and the big flash disk I've been making a mess of my desk whenever I visit Apple's web page. I was trying to temper that with a belief that as a first gen re-work it is bound to have some issues. So I'd go over to BestBuy and play with the machines there. I often got strange looks from the Apple Best Buy guy and I think he sort of came not to like me because unlike most of his customers I was in the system prefs changing settings playing with terminal windows and I don't think he appreciated what I was doing. I didn't care. I wanted to get a feel for the machine.
So last month I made a pitch to my boss to let me do an upgrade. He finally relented and about 2 weeks ago I placed my order. My MBP retina arrived on Monday. So right off the bat I need to qualify my statements here with the fact that I've only had mine about 3 days. Certainly not long enough to find all of the problems. But here is my impression since getting this machine.
I opted for the 15" retina, 2.6gHz, 16gb RAM, 768 Flash Drive.
When I received the unit on Monday I loaded it up with my editors, compilers, programs from the AppStore, music, etc.   Of my 768 I'm down to about 210gb free which is plenty. I was expecting to use more.
The first thing I must confess about this new machine is how quiet the processors are. I installed iStat Menus which I like so I can monitor how my MBP is doing. With my 2010 just running a single VMWare Fusion VM had the processor at about 30% and the fan running say 3500 RPM. It was hot and noisy. This new machine, as I type this post has two VMs open. A Windows 7 32 bit, and a Windows 7 64 bit. I'm also listening to iTunes, I have mail, google chrome, calendar, contacts and a number of other apps open. As I sit here the CPU activity almost non existent. The rMBP isn't even struggling in the least with this load. In direct comparison my 2010 MBP would have 30-40% CPU load and the fans would be screaming away, not at full bore but really loud. But here I sit with this new machine and it is quiet, only very slightly warm and I'm doing what I "normally" do.
For this alone the upgrade was CLEARLY worth it to me. The computing horsepower in this machine is insane.
My unit came with (heaven forbid) the LG display that everyone in the "burn-in" thread says is HORRIBLE and some of these guys have gone through 5 or 6 replacements to solve their burn in problems. I don't doubt they've had these issues. I don't doubt they exist. I have none of them. This display is freaking amazing!
Now I've heard it said that the IR (image retention, ghosting, burn-in) can take weeks to appear. So I'm not out of the woods yet. But at this point in time the display is simply awesome and with the background I choose I see ZERO ghosting. I'll say it again. This display is freaking awesome!
Now I'm not a graphic artist and I cannot and will not try to tell you if my color point is correct for the white or not. What I can tell you is that this display looks good to me. I can read even the smallest text easily. The clarity is simply amazing. I'm 55 and have certainly reached that age where my eyes work overtime. I wear progressive glasses and I'm not having any trouble at all with the display.
The only thing I could point a finger at is that this new retina display is bounded by a black area that for my eyes is the same color as my background. I've found myself trying to slide windows into that area and being shocked that they are disappearing (because the display physically ends there). This is just something to get used to or I could set my background to be a little lighter. Anyway this is a pretty damned small negative if I must say so.
Ok on heat. As I mentioned above this machine just idles along 99% of the time so there is little heat being produced. I'm not doing nothing either. In my Windows 7 VMs I'm running compilers and when the are cranking on code the Windows CPU is showing 100% while the rMBP registers this as like 5%. Not sure I understand how that is working yet but I see no speed loss in my VM and yet my rMBP is just coasting even though Windows is registering 100% CPU.
The airflow on this new computer is to take air in from the sides and dispense the hot air out a vent in front of the display. I personally think this is a design flaw. I think this may be causing some of the burn in/ghosting issues because the computer is venting hot air right at the display. I personally would have vented it out the back beneath the screen but perhaps the latch as it is designed for the rMBP may make that impossible.
But as an engineer I have an idea for a way to fix the heat on the LCD panel issue. It would not take much to make a small plastic piece that sat in that hinge area and took the outgoing air and sent it to the sides way from the panel. I'm not gonna design this but if the heat really is the issue this simple $2 piece would probably save the panel.
So my take is this:
For me personally and acceptance of anything is a very personal choice, the retina MBP is exactly what Apple bills it to be. The best, more amazing laptop I've ever owned. It is cool (temp wise), fast (amazingly fast), small, thin, light, has an amazing screen visually and I predict this computer will satisfy my needs for quite a few years to come.
I will not berate or downplay the issues some have had. I honestly believe there have been bad retina MBPs. Bad screens. Heat issues. Failures. They happen and those people have suffered and I hope Apple will make it right for them. But I'm one to say that my unit more than satisfies my goals and intents. Like any piece of machinery it has its small issues. I'm sure my screen will have some IR. I'm sure my unit will get hot but so far it doesn't work even 1/4 as hard as my older 2010 MBP.
So my point to everyone is make your own choice. Do not let the threads you see in these forums convince you that your retina MBP will be problem ridden. Just because other people see and are bothered by a problem you might not be and the problem may not exist on your retina MBP.
For me, this machine is simply amazing. I can only hope my panel does not suddenly start to show massive ghosting. I do plan to keep a close eye on that and on the heat. But right now I'm not expecting issues.
Good luck in your purchase and also to those that have purchased and are not satisfied.

I need to add just one more thing and that is on battery life. Last night I sat with the rMBP on my lap installing software, surfing the web, answering emails for close to 4 and 1/2 hours. At the point I took it back to the charger it still was showing a computed battery time remaining of 3.5 hours.
Today I had two VMs open and took the machine of the charger and sat outside with my dogs for about 30 minutes. During this time I was working in both VMs, editing and compiling code. My battery life estimate showed a good solid 4 hours.
This is roughly 6 times greater than what I had with my 2010 MBP and it too had a SSD. I am not sure why but this retina MBP just seems to not work as hard doing anything that caused my 2010 MBP to struggle.
While the battery life is certainly better than I expected it is clear that load can change that very rapidly. So I think I still need to visit clients with an external battery or charger in hand. But I don't think I will be quite so scared that my laptop will simply run out of power before I can even get it plugged in.

The Matte Versus Glossy Issue: Feedback Please

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So I am looking for feedback on peoples experiences with using glossy vs matte for painting and for use in a wide range of situations including oudoors both night and day.
It is easy for people to say look at them side by side in the store. Unfortunately it appears Apple and resellers seem to have a policy of only putting Matte MBP displays on display.
Someone said "The MacBook is glossy, have a look at one beside a MBP." So I walz in to the shop all excited and the salesman said for security reasons he could not move the MacBooks around next to the MBP's, but then he pulled out his personal 18 month old MacBook and set it up but also told me it is not a fair test because the MacBook screens are so inferior to the MBP. Also, even though he would allow this comparison test there was no way we would be able to look at any of the computers in the sun (security).
His usage of his laptop is completely different to mine so he couldn't talk about graphics programs, or working outdoors both of which are habits of mine as an artist. I live in Photoshop and Painter, and do web design.
I have to admit to loving bright rich color, love contrast, hate pastel tones and soft colors. I have always disliked the matte surfaces of non reflective glass for framing pictures, and love the look of my glass flat screen CRT that faces some big windows, and gets occasional direct sun in mid winter.

Okay, so I have some feedback of my own now for others.
Today I managed to get the manager of the Apple store to take a MBP and a MB into full sun. We looked at the two side by side, same angle etc in several paces from strong light to an angle where the full sun was reflecting off both screens and the result is surprising:
(1) The glossy as expected shows strong reflections, shop lights, the sun and clouds all clearly visible in the screen.
(2) The matte screen as expected turns light sources such as shop lights into diffused soft areas of reflection, but the sun makes a massive difused area of reflected light across a large part of the screen.
(3) The MacBook with its glossy screen was substantially easier to read text and see images on in direct sunlight than the matte MBP screen. Even though clouds and other reflected things including the sun were visible, it did not stop the screen being readable and useable. The details on the matte screen however with the sun reflecting off it was nearly invisible. Turning the matte screen a little improved the view substantially, but it did with the glossy screen too. There was no where in the strong light that the glossy screen could not be turned so that reflections were almost non-existent, however the matte screen tended to have a noticeable lightening of colors at all angles in the bright light. I was expecting there to be a small difference. I was surprized that the difference was so marked and that the glossy screen was noticeably better at all angles to sunlight.
(4) Indoors both screens are good, however the glossy picked up lights easily and needed to be moved so that the reflection is no longer visible. There is always a position where no reflection is visible. The matte is easy to look at indoors no matter which way it faces.
(5)I went immediately to a store selling PC's. Although they weren't side by side my impression was that the PC screens all gave noticeably stronger reflections than the MB glossy screen which confirms some comments made here.

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I'm looking for advice regarding improving the performance, if possible, of my Macbook Pro and new 27'' Apple display combination. I'm using a 13" Macbook Pro 2.53Ghz with 4GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics card and I have 114GB of the 250GB of HD space available. What I'm really wondering is is this enough spec to run the 27" display easily. Apple says it is… and it does work, but I suspect that I'm working at the limit of what my MCB is capable of. My main applications are Photoshop CS5 with Camera RAW and Bridge. Everything works but I sometimes get lock ups and things are basically a bit jerky. Is the bottle neck my 2.53Ghz processor or the graphics card? I have experimented with the Open GL settings in Photoshop and tried closing all unused applications. Does anyone have any suggestions for tuning things and is there a feasible upgrade for the graphics card if such a thing would make a difference? I have recently started working with 21mb RAW files which I realise isn't helping. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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