Does converted MTS 24p footage also require "pulldown" process?

Hi.
I am using a Canon HF20 camcorder. The files are MTS. I was shooting in 24p mode. I have FCP 6, which apparently cannot handle MTS media. So I found a way to convert the files to HDV (or AIC) via an application called Clipwrap. My question is: Must I also deal with the extra-frame/pulldown problem (endemic to usual 24p footage) of the new clip, or has that been taken care of in the conversion process? If not, is there a way to tackle both these issues (MTS conversion, pulldown) in one fell swoop?
Thanks,
Marc

you can usually drop 24p material into a 29.97 fps timeline without any issues EXCEPT that fcp does not add pulldown in the best way. If I remember correctly, fcp just repeats the 4th frame. This may or may not be objectionable when you view it. You can add pulldown with full flexibility in After Effects. I don't imagine it would be a big deal to do this after you've locked picture.
My mantra is 'TEST YOUR WORKFLOW" from soup to nuts (ingest to output in delivery format). I sometimes make DP's, producers, etc crazy, but better them than me.
And yeah, sometimes it is just simpler to shoot 29.97. But most importantly is what is your end use. i recently finished a doc that had to be output to a digital cinema package for academy award consideration. The specs demanded 24 fps (not 24p aka 23.976). My sources were all over the place. Landed up using compressor to change the frame rate of all material to 23.986 and then the post house doing the dcp output conformed to 24.

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