DV Pal export to DV NTSC ?

Was able to import our PAL Hi8mm tapes into the iMovie and also convert with iDVD to NTSC and burn to DVD.
BUT want to preserve the raw footage and export to a NTSC DV tape via camcorder.
File->Share doesn't let me do it.
Do I have to add another step along the line?
What?
Thanks,
Sylvia

Exported a clip as Full Qualily.dv and used as input for JES.
Followed the instruction in 2.62 Exept my file has a .dv instead of .mov and try to import back into iMovie, so I can export it to the Videocamera.
Open a new iMovie window and use frame rate 29.97 fps.
After I import it, have this big black bar on the top and bottom and everything looks kind of wider as normal.
When I try and export it to the camcorder, gives me an error.
What settings should I have in JES ?
Default comes up in Input with 2.20 Gamma, Source Rectangle is set to 0 for all and Video range is selected.
Project Standard conversion NTSC, Settings Height 480, Width 720 and Frame rate 29.97. Block match threshold 600, Noise level 10 and nothing else is checked.
Output: 2.20 Gamma, Target rectangle (trim) 0's, Video range checked and Video output, Direct Compressor DV-NTSC and Copy sound.
Any idea why it doesn't export to tape.
Sylvia
Open JES Deinterlacer 2.6.2 or later.
Pane Input, click "Choose..." and select the small reference .mov file from your iMovie project folder.
Pane Project, Select "Standards conversion" and then "Convert to NTSC".
Pane Output, Click on "Put..." and use the default filename (can be renamed in Finder later if necessary), select "Compressor" DV-NTSC.
Pane Output, click on OK and wait.
Quit JES Deinterlacer.

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you have to do your frame aspect ratio calculations based on the image area (clean aperture) not the production aperture.
page 4...this link
http://www.panavision.com/publish/2007/12/10/GenesisFAQs20071207.pdf
My take on this is that CCD's that are full size for 35mm film ( beginning of aspect ratios for a lot of stuff ) there is less fudging re: transforming a smaller chip size to the correct exact image size, that the image size derrived from the real camera recording may not be exactly the "production" aspect ratio sizes...or something like that... It is confusing to me also, as I have no video cameras, digital or otherwise, and don't shoot anything but still film.
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To further confuse me, this article has info on exact number of lines broadcast for pal and ntsc...
note THIS in the article ===------------------------------------------------------
NTSC Video
525 scan lines per frame, 30      frames per second (or be exact, 29.97 fps, 33.37 msec/frame)
Interlaced, each frame is      divided into 2 fields, 262.5 lines/field
20 lines reserved for control      information at the beginning of each fieldSo a maximum of 485       lines of visible data
Basics of Video
Analog video is represented      as a continuous (time varying) signal.
Digital video is represented      as a sequence of digital images.
    Types of Color Video Signals
Component video --      each primary is sent as a separate video signal.
The primaries can       either be RGB or a luminance-chrominance transformation of them (e.g.,       YIQ, YUV).
Best color       reproduction
Requires more       bandwidth and good synchronization of the three components
Composite video --      color (chrominance) and luminance signals are mixed into a single carrier      wave. Some interference between the two signals is inevitable.
S-Video (Separated      video, e.g., in S-VHS) -- a compromise between component analog video and      the composite video. It uses two lines, one for luminance and another for      composite chrominance signal.
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The following figures are from A.M. Tekalp, "Digital video processing", Prentice Hall PTR, 1995, NTSC.
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525 scan lines per frame, 30      frames per second (or be exact, 29.97 fps, 33.37 msec/frame)
Interlaced, each frame is      divided into 2 fields, 262.5 lines/field
20 lines reserved for control      information at the beginning of each field
So a maximum of 485       lines of visible data
Laserdisc and S-VHS       have actual resolution of ~420 lines
Ordinary TV -- ~320       lines
Each line takes 63.5      microseconds to scan. Horizontal retrace takes 10 microseconds (with 5      microseconds horizontal synch pulse embedded), so the active line time is      53.5 microseconds.
Digital Video Rasters
Color representation:
NTSC uses YIQ color       model.
composite = Y + I cos(Fsc       t) + Q sin(Fsc t), where Fsc is the frequency of color subcarrier
PAL Video
625 scan lines per frame, 25      frames per second (40 msec/frame)
Interlaced, each frame is      divided into 2 fields, 312.5 lines/field
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Advantages:
Direct random access       --> good for nonlinear video editing
No problem for       repeated recording
No need for blanking       and sync pulse
Almost all digital video uses      component video
Chroma Subsampling
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4:4:4 --> No chroma      subsampling, each pixel has Y, Cr and Cb values.
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4:2:0 --> Subsampled in both the horizontal and vertical dimensions by a factor of 2. Theoretically, the chroma pixel is positioned between the rows and columns as shown in the figure.
4:1:1 and 4:2:0 are mostly      used in JPEG and MPEG (see Chapter 4).
CCIR Standards for Digital Video
(CCIR -- Consultative Committee for International Radio)
                       CCIR 601       CCIR 601         CIF         QCIF
                        525/60         625/50
                         NTSC         PAL/SECAM
Luminance resolution   720 x 485      720 x 576     352 x 288    176 x 144
Chrominance resolut.   360 x 485      360 x 576     176 x 144     88 x 72
Color Subsampling        4:2:2          4:2:2         4:2:0        4:2:0
Fields/sec                60             50            30           30
Interlacing               Yes            Yes           No           No
CCIR 601 uses interlaced      scan, so each field only has half as much vertical resolution (e.g., 243      lines in NTSC). The CCIR 601 (NTSC) data rate is ~165 Mbps.
CIF (Common Intermediate      Format) -- an acceptable temporary standard
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QCIF -- Quarter-CIF
ATSC Digital Television Standard
(ATSC -- Advanced Television Systems Committee) The ATSC Digital Television Standard was recommended to be adopted as the Advanced TV broadcasting standard by the FCC Advisory Committee on Advanced Television Service on November 28, 1995. It covers the standard for HDTV (High Definition TV).
Video Format
The video scanning formats supported by the ATSC Digital Television Standard are shown in the following table.
Vertical Lines
Horizontal   Pixels
Aspect Ratio
Picture Rate
1080
1920
16:9
60I 30P 24P
720
1280
16:9
60P 30P 24P
480
704
16:9 &   4:3
60I 60P 30P   24P
480
640
4:3
60I 60P 30P   24P
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In the picture rate column,      the "I" means interlaced scan, and the "P" means      progressive (non-interlaced) scan.
Both NTSC rates and integer      rates are supported (i.e., 60.00, 59.94, 30.00, 29.97, 24.00, and 23.98).
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