Editing a HDV project with anamorphic DV footage setup issue

I’m editing a HDV show and my source footage was down converted HDV to 720x480 DV anamorphic. I’ve selected the anamorphic under format for all my source clips. In the viewer window everything correctly looks 16x9. In my canvas window my footage looks like 16x9, but when I select the title safe grid in the canvas window the title safe grid doesn’t line up like it does on the footage in my viewer window. It’s as though in my canvas window I’m looking at letterbox footage in a 4x3 screen and my title safe grid looks like it’s a 4x3 title safe grid.
My question is there a 16x9 title safe grid for anamorphic footage? Or do I have my sequence settings incorrect?
My settings are:
Source footage is 1440x1080i HDV down converted and captured at 720x480 DV. Pixel Aspect-NTSC – CCR 601. Anamorphic selected.
Sequence Settings are:
720x480 NTSC DV (3:2)
Pixel Aspect NTSC –CCIR 601/DV 720x480
Field Dominance: Lower
29.97
Compressor: DV/DVC Pro – NTSC
I’m running FCP 5.0
I would appreciate your input. Thanks!
Quad 2.5 G5 Mac OS X (10.4.3) 5 GB Ram

If you are creating an anamorphic project, and your
footage is anamorphic, then your sequence setting
must also be anamorphic unless you want it
letterboxed in a 4x3 frame.
Check your Canvas view settings: "fit to window" and
"show as square pixels".
That sounds correct but when I select anamorphic under "item properties" for the sequence it streches out the images as if I were double doing the anamorhic. It stretches sides again a second time.
I just tired this... I grabbed a clip and turned off the anamorhic on the source clip. I created a new sequence and turned on anamorphic on the sequence. That stretched out the footage in the canvas and the title safe grid looks correct. That's great. But wondering, is that the way FCP works, that you have to watch the source side distorted when editing?
And that's ok if there's not an option. And if so, is there a way of batch selecting all my source clips and turning off anamorphic?
Thanks!

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Dell Precision M6300; Intel Core 2 Duo T7700; 2.40 GHz 800Mhz; 4MB L2 Cache; Dual Core
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Can I covert 480i to 1080p and edit with new 1080p footage?

I have a Surf Video shot 4 years ago at 720x480 30i (mini-dv) and I want to add more footage to it. I shot on a Panasonic ag-dvx 100 and edited on my G5 with Final Cut 4. I will be buying a Panasonic hvx200 and a Mac Pro.
My simple question is can I up convert the 480 30i footage to 1080 30p and edit it Final Cut 7 and can I mix in new footage shot 1080 30p?
My more difficult question is: I understand I will have black boxes on the sides of the footage if I can upconvert, but the footage I have in 4:3 would actually look better in 16:9 if I lose the existing top and bottom of the frame (mostly blue sky). So could I make the conversion and also "zoom in" to fill the 16:9 frame with the 4:3 footage? Is that possible? And if it is possible... would it look really bad?
Thanks!

but the footage I have in 4:3 would actually look better in 16:9 if I lose the existing top and bottom of the frame (mostly blue sky). So could I make the conversion and also "zoom in" to fill the 16:9 frame with the 4:3 footage? Is that possible? And if it is possible... would it look really bad?
It's not a simple question at all. Depends on your budget for upconverting software, your tolerance for pixelation, your ability to stylize your older work creatively, and your release medium..
Upconverting is easily researched on Google. There are two processes, one is a simple expansion and the other relies on the creation of pixels where there none. Takes a lot of time and the best tools are not free.
However, there's no need to upconvert your old SD footage if you're going to downconvert your new HD footage on the way to a conventional SD DVD.
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