Enable syslogd - to receive logs from workstations

i'm having problems trying to get syslogd to work on our new xserver. i read the latest command line 10.4 manual (and i called apple who don't support command line). page 284 says:
To configure Mac OS X Server as a log server that accepts log messages from other
systems on the network:
1 Open /etc/rc and locate the following line:
/usr/sbin/syslogd -s -m 0
2 Replacing the IP address after -a with your network information, change the line to:
/usr/sbin/syslogd -n -a 192.168.1.0/24
The -n option disables DNS lookups.
3 Insert this command as the next to last line of the file, right before the “exit 0” line:
killall -HUP syslogd #re-load configuration
exit 0
syslogd contains features not documented in its man page. A more recent man page
that fully describes its features is available at www.freebsd.org/cgi/
man.cgi?query=syslogd.
the /etc/rc file does not have this entry:
/usr/sbin/syslogd -s -m 0
...i called apple and they don't support command line for premium service and support.
don

> i'm trying to get the xserver to receive syslog output from workstations scattered across several subnets
I realize what you're trying to do.
>is your suggestion going to enable xserver to accept workstation syslog output?
Once the above change is made, the server will accept syslog output from any device on the network that is configured to send logs to this server. This includes not just other Macs, but switches, routers, printers, and anything else that supports syslog.

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826034 wrote:
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