ERP Business Process

Hi,
As once an ERP( Oracle EBS, PS, Siebal etc) is deployed. After that the change managment take place, according to changes in business processes.
Now my Question is; after full deployment(say it take six months), then after how many period the business processes changes( like one month,two months six month etc..). Is it vary from Industry to Industry.
Are these changes are already depicted in ERP or the developer have to work on it (I'm sure developer have to work on it). If so, then isn't it destroy the basic structure of an ERP.
Kindly Participate in this discussion as I'm new to this area and I'm at student level. Looking comments from experts.
Regards,
Abbasi

Hi,
Now my Question is; after full deployment(say it take six months), then after how many period the business processes changes( like one month,two months six month etc..). Is it vary from Industry to Industry.You already have the answer to your question -- This varies from one organization to another.
Are these changes are already depicted in ERP or the developer have to work on it (I'm sure developer have to work on it). If so, then isn't it destroy the basic structure of an ERP.Depends on what changes you are going to implement. For seeded Oracle Forms/Reports/Tables ..etc the changes will take place by applying application patches (family packs), implementing a major update/upgrade, ..etc. For custom modules, it depends on the business requirements and needs, and developers will be involved in such changes. Customization should not destroy the basic structure of the ERP if you follow the standards.
Note: 104697.1 - Setup & Usage (Customization)
Note: 743490.1 - Customization in Oracle Applications
Note: 744065.1 - Sample CUSTOM Library Code To Customize Applications
Regards,
Hussein

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Dear Dr. Word,
I am a graduate student of MIS at Northern Illinois University. I took Dr. Yipeng Liu’s course of Advanced Topic of Information Systems using your textbook - Integrated Business Process With ERP Systems. Your textbook is great. I have a question to discuss with you.
On page 62 of your textbook, I don’t think the accounting process of purchasing supplies is correct. In the example, “GBI purchases office supplies for $500 with a check. Office supplies are expensed; that is, they are defined as money spent rather than treated as an asset upon purchase, even if some of the supplies remain unused. In this case, the relevant accounts are bank and supplies expense.”
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Integrated Business Processes with ERP Systems Textbook Discussion

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I am a graduate student of MIS at Northern Illinois University. I took Dr. Yipeng Liu’s course of Advanced Topic of Information Systems using your textbook - Integrated Business Process With ERP Systems. Your textbook is great. I have a question to discuss with you.
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Rasham

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I have joined this community yesterday, so I am pretty much new here.
I work as a Business Process Analyst for a semi govt company. I have been tasked for evaluating a tool for business process management.
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2) BPMN standards for process modelling
3) The design phase of our new ERP software will be starting soon.
4) My company has got vision to become BPM company over the years, we are at very early stage of it.
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Thanks
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My view (I work as an Enterprise Architect for a very large Resources Company).
Visio is a drawing tool. It produces nice diagrams and drawings which have no real connection with the process objects, or system objects they represent. typically an organisation ends up with 1,000's of these e diagrams which end up all having to be maintained (and usually are not) so quickly end up being largely out of date and useless.
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Phil G.
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Transform from Business Process Expert to Value Scenario Experts !!!!

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Business Process Repository is sometimes confusing on transaction tab

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pls elaborate with one example?

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Dear All
Business Process Documentation
I just want to know foloowing thing sabout Business Process Documentation.
do yuo know where there any documents about Business Process Documentation and system log ?
Edited by: Koji Watanabe on Feb 16, 2012 1:52 AM

Hellow Watanabe-san
Could you explain little bit mroe about what you are looking
for ?
Are you looking for the way to document Business Process in SolMan ?
Or
Are you looking for the way to monitor your business process in
the backedn system ?
The link that vasanthgobi mentioned is the SAP help on business
process monitoring.
Documentation topic
In SAP Solman, you can document your business process in following
2 area. Project area and Solution area. Project area is mainly used
for implementation phase or initial documentation. Solution area is
used for operation phase.
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supporting tools for project area (you can copy the document in
project area to solution later).
In SolMan 7.1, if you want to document your business process,
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(General motivation for the documentation, please refer to the
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Also refer to these blogs
http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/28304
http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/27212
And service market place link (webinar)
http://service.sap.com/esacademy (login in english)
=>meet the expert =>Replay Library.
=>SAP Solution manager =>Business Process Blueprint
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project area
<SAP and IBIS develop analysis content based on the business
process repository. By using this content, you can execute
analysis for ERP and can get process utilization info.
And you can create initial process from this>.
Also refer to these blogs
http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/26074
And service market place link
http://service.sap.com/rbpd
4.Document manually in project area
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in ERP). But in other case, you do not have any activity to ERP.
For RBPD, it collects the data by using job, and you can control
the number of WP to be used. The runtime will be depending your
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Actually, it is not only the monitoring, but also you can use it
for business process improvement.
Basically in business process monitoring related tools,
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1.Business Process Monitoring tool - Monitoring
2.Business Process Analytics tool - Analysis & benchmarking
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business process from technical and application side.
The tool can monitor specific job(normal job/BW process chain),
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types of transaction document like sales order, delivery,
purchase order, production ordet etc.
For transaction monitoring, there are pre-defined template
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Also it allows to monitor any table (z/y-table also).
And the Analytics tool is the tool based on the BW.
By using this, you can do benchamarking, trend analysis,
backlog analysis.
In more, I highly recommend to check the series of blog
by Volker. And FAQ document.
http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/u/251688346
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/SM/FAQBusinessProcess+Monitoring
There are configuration document in service market place also.
http://service.sap.com/bpm
Hope this helps you.
Best Regards
Keiji Mishima

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Hi,
A business process is a series of steps that is triggered by some action and produces some outcome.
Business processes can be implemented in many ways. For example-
Using ABAP programs (Transactions)
Using a workflow, which in turn use Business Objects
1) How can we know which Business Process is implemented using which method?
For example, if we consider a purchase order being placed and it triggers a business process, how can we the way (ABAP Programs/Workflow) in the triggered business process is implemented?
2) If the business process is implemented in ABAP Programs, is it possible to reimplement it in workflow (or vice versa) with minimal effort?
3) I have a large set of questions regarding how sap business process works and I have put my thoughts in a word document. I would like some gurus to go thro it and help me. If you are willing to spend little time, please do post your email id or send an email to [email protected]
Thanks in advance.
Ananda Raja.

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I'll only attempt to answer your question #1...
On a high level, I'd first start to look at SAP's Solution Maps for the different processes. Please check out:
http://www.sap.com/solutions/index.epx
Click on the business maps link. It should eventually lead you to the "Registration and Download" page for Solution Composer. --> http://www.sap.com/solutions/businessmaps/composer/index.epx
With this tool, you can discover the procurement or sales process you describe in your example.
SAP has quite a few generic enterprise solutions and 27 industry specific solutions. I'm not sure you will find a guru who knows everything SAP has to offer.
In addition you can follow this link:
<a href="https://www.sdn.sap.comhttp://www.sdn.sap.comhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/developerareas/esa/esapreview">https://www.sdn.sap.comhttp://www.sdn.sap.comhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/developerareas/esa/esapreview</a> found @ Solution Maps, ESA, Visual Composer, and Aris to understand how SAP is developing the new generation applications via eSOA - Enterprise Service Oriented Architecture.
It's difficult to guage what you are really looking for in your post. So I'll jump down into the application level to try to answer your message.
If you want to use the actual SAP transactions which implement PO, use transaction ME21 (or ME21N) in ERP (SAP R/3). If a system is receiving a PO, you can manually enter a Sales Order using VA01. This is specific to ERP. These Business Processes can also be managed thru our CRM, SRM, and SCM/APO products. In addition, most of these transactions can also be manipulated thru IDOC's or RFC/BAPI versus user interaction.
Hopefully this gets you pointed in the right direction.
Good Luck...
james

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