Expanding your Power mac G5

Hi all,
sorry for my English, I want to install a 2nd hard disk but I don't khnow which model. I think to by a Seagate. Currently I have a Seagate 160 Gb model 7200/7 with cache 8 Mb, can I put a model 7200/10 with cache 16Mb?
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Hi japamac
thanks for your answer, but I can't install a drive to 640 GB because can be 500 GB maximum system capacity in my macPower Mac G5 - Technical Specifications
Configurations
Order no. M9020LL/A M9031LL/A M9032LL/A
G5 Processor 1.6GHz PowerPC G5 1.8GHz PowerPC G5 Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
L2 Cache 512K 512K 512K per processor
Frontside bus 800MHz 900MHz 1GHz per processor
DDR SDRAM main memory 256MB PC2700 (333MHz)
4GB maximum 512MB PC3200 (400MHz)
8GB maximum 512MB PC3200 (400MHz)
8GB maximum
8X AGP Pro graphics NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB DDR SDRAM NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB DDR SDRAM ATI RADEON 9600 Pro with 64MB DDR SDRAM
Hard drive(5) 80GB Serial ATA; 7200 rpm 160GB Serial ATA; 7200 rpm 160GB Serial ATA; 7200 rpm
Optical drive SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
PCI slots Three open full-length 33MHz, 64-bit PCI slots Three open full-length PCI-X slots: one 133MHz, 64-bit slot and two 100MHz, 64-bit slots Three open full-length PCI-X slots: one 133MHz, 64-bit slot and two 100MHz, 64-bit slots
High performance I/O One FireWire 800 port, two FireWire 400 ports (one on front); three USB 2.0 ports (one on front), two USB 1.1 ports (on keyboard); AGP 8X Pro slot with graphics card installed, including ADC connector and DVI connector
Bays Two internal hard drive bays (1 occupied); one optical drive bay
Networking Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet and 56K V.92 modem(13)
Wireless AirPort Extreme ready (based on 802.11g specification; IEEE 802.11b Wi-Fi certified)(6); Bluetooth option
Audio Optical digital audio in, optical digital audio out, analog audio in, analog audio out, front headphone minijack and speaker
System software Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar”
Software iLife (including iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie and iDVD), QuickBooks for Mac New User Edition, FAXstf, Art Directors Toolkit, Microsoft Office v.X Test Drive, FileMaker Pro Trial, OmniGraffle, OmniOutliner, GraphicConverter, QuickTime, iChat, Safari, Sherlock, Address Book, iCal, iSync, DVD Player, Mail, EarthLink, Acrobat Reader, Classic environment and Apple Developer Tools
Hardware accessories Apple Keyboard, Apple Mouse, USB keyboard extension cable, DVI to VGA adapter, modem cable, AirPort antenna
Limited warranty and service Your Power Mac G5 comes with 90 days of free telephone support and a one-year limited warranty. Purchase the AppleCare Protection Plan to extend your service and support to three full years. Only the AppleCare Protection Plan provides you with direct telephone support from Apple technical experts and the assurance that repairs will be handled by Apple-certified technicians using genuine Apple parts. For more information, visit Apple support or call 800-823-2775.
Internet access All models also include 30 days of free Internet service through EarthLink . Internet access requires a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.
Build-to-Order Options
Order a custom-configured computer from the online Apple Store or an authorized Apple reseller.
Memory (PC2700 or PC3200 DDR SDRAM; installed in pairs): 256MB, 512MB, 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB (4)
Hard drives (5) 80GB Serial ATA, 160GB Serial ATA, 250GB Serial ATA
Optical drives SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW), Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB of DDR SDRAM, ATI Radeon 9600 Pro with 64MB of DDR SDRAM, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB of DDR SDRAM
Audio Apple iPod, Logitech Z-680 5.1 speakers, Monster 1m Toslink Digital Fiber Optic Cable, Monster 2m Toslink Digital Fiber Optic Cable
External storage Xserve RAID with Apple Fibre Channel PCI Card
Wireless AirPort Extreme Card M8881LL/A
AirPort Extreme Base Station M8930LL/A
AirPort Extreme Base Station (with modem and antenna port) M8799LL/A
Internal Bluetooth module with antenna
Displays Apple Studio Display (17-inch flat panel) M7649ZM/B
Apple Cinema Display (20-inch flat panel) M8893ZM/A
Apple Cinema HD Display (23-inch flat panel) M8537ZM/A
Apple DVI to ADC Display Adapter M8661LL/A
Apple DVI to ADC Video Adapter M9267G/A
Services AppleCare Protection Plan M8850LL/A
.Mac Subscription M8778LL/A
Technical Specifications
Processing
1.6GHz, 1.8GHz, or dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 microprocessors
PowerPC processor architecture with 64-bit data paths and registers
Native support for 32-bit application code
512K on-chip L2 cache running at processor speed
Parallel data structure supporting up to 215 simultaneous in-flight instructions
Simultaneous issue of up to 10 out-of-order operations
Dual-pipeline Velocity Engine for 128-bit single-instruction, multiple-data (SIMD) processing
Two independent double-precision floating-point units
Advanced three-stage branch-prediction logic
800MHz, 900MHz, or 1GHz 64-bit DDR frontside bus supporting up to 8-GBps data throughput; one on each processor on dual processor systems
Point-to-point system controller
Memory
128-bit data paths for up to 6.4-GBps memory throughput
1.6GHz model
256MB of PC2700 (333MHz) DDR SDRAM
Four DIMM slots supporting up to 4GB of main memory
1.8GHz systems and 2Ghz systems
512MB of PC3200 (400MHz) DDR SDRAM
Eight DIMM slots supporting up to 8GB of main memory
Support for the following DIMMs (in pairs):
128MB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 128- or 256-Mbit)
256MB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 128- or 256-Mbit)
512MB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 256-Mbit)
1GB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 256-Mbit)
Graphics and displays
AGP 8X Pro graphics slot supporting up to 2-GBps data throughput, with one of the following graphics cards installed:
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB of DDR SDRAM
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro with 64MB of DDR SDRAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB of DDR SDRAM (build-to-order option)
Support for digital resolutions up to 1920 by 1200 pixels
Support for analog resolutions up to 1600 by 1200 pixels
ADC and DVI connectors; DVI to VGA adapter included
Dual display support for extended desktop and video mirroring modes
Support for up to two Apple flat panel displays(8)
Storage
Two Serial ATA controllers supporting up to 150-MBps data throughput per hard drive
Two 3.5-inch hard drive expansion bays with drive guides for a second drive
One 80GB or 160GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA drive installed in standard configurations(5)
Support for up to two internal Serial ATA drives; _*500GB maximum system capacity(5)*_
8MB memory buffers on all hard drives
Optical drive bay with SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) installed; writes DVD-R discs at up to 4x speed, reads DVDs at up to 8x speed, writes CD-R discs at up to16x speed, writes CD-RW discs at up to 10x speed, reads CDs at up to 32x speed
PCI expansion
One of the following configurations:
Three open full-length 64-bit, 33MHz PCI slots, or
One open full-length 64-bit, 133MHz PCI-X slot and two open full-length 64-bit 100MHz PCI-X slots
Communications
10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet connector (RJ-45)
Built-in 56K V.92 modem (RJ-11) (13)
Expansion slot for optional 54-Mbps AirPort Extreme Card (based on IEEE 802.11g specification; 802.11b Wi-Fi certified) (6)
External AirPort Extreme antenna
Optional Bluetooth 1.1 module and antenna
Peripherals and audio
One FireWire 800 port and two FireWire 400 ports (one on front panel, 15W total power)
Three USB 2.0 ports (on one front panel), two USB 1.1 ports on keyboard
Front headphone minijack and speaker
Optical digital audio in and out Toslink connectors
Stereo audio in and out minijacks
Electrical and environmental requirements
Meets ENERGY STAR requirements
Line voltage: 100-125V AC or 200-240V AC
Frequency: 50Hz to 60Hz, single phase
Maximum current: 6.5A (low-voltage range) or 7.5A (high-voltage range)
Operating temperature: 50° to 95° F (10° to 35° C)
Storage temperature: -40° to 116° F (-40° to 47° C)
Relative humidity: 5% to 95% noncondensing
Maximum altitude: 10,000 feet
Size and weight
Height: 20.1 inches (51.1 cm)
Width: 8.1 inches (20.6 cm)
Depth: 18.7 inches (47.5 cm)
Weight: 39.2 pounds (17.8 kg) (14)
Tests performed by Apple in June 2003 using preproduction Power Mac G5 units. The Power Mac systems ran a PowerPC G5 — optimized version of Photoshop 7.0.1 including optimized AltiVecCore, ACE, and BIB Carbon Libraries; the Dell Dimension ran Photoshop 7.0.1.
“World’s fastest” based on SPEC CPU2000 benchmark results and leading professional application performance tests against 3GHz Pentium 4 — based Dell Dimension 8300 and dual 3.06GHz Xeon-based Dell Precision Workstation 650. SPEC CPU2000 benchmarks run with GCC 3.3 compiler and independently tested; professional applications tested by Apple, June 2003.
Based on SPEC CPU2000 benchmark results against 3GHz Pentium 4 — based Dell Dimension 8300 and dual 3.06GHz Xeon-based Dell Precision Workstation 650, run with GCC 3.3 compiler and independently tested, June 2003.
Selected models.
1GB = 1 billion bytes; actual formatted capacity less.
Achieving data rates of 54 Mbps requires that all users have an AirPort Extreme Card and connect to an AirPort Extreme Base Station. If any user of Wi-Fi certified 802.11b products joins the network, that user will get up to 11 Mbps and AirPort Extreme network users will get less than 54 Mbps. Actual speed will vary based on range, connection rate, site conditions, size of network, and other factors.
Check with manufacturer for compatibility.
Second Apple flat-panel display requires Apple DVI to ADC Adapter, sold separately.
Actual rates will vary.
Preliminary specifications based on preproduction Power Mac G5 units.
Based on SPEC CPU2000 benchmark results against 3GHz Pentium 4 — based Dell Dimension 8300 and dual 3.06GHz Xeon-based Dell Precision Workstation 650m, performed by VeriTest, June 2003.
Tests performed by Apple in June 2003 using preproduction Power Mac G5 units with application software optimized for the PowerPC G5.
Compatible ISP and telephone services required. Your ISP may not support all V.92 features. Modem will function according to V.90 standards if V.92 services are not available. Actual modem speeds lower.
Weight varies by configuration and manufacturing process.
Internet access requires a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.
Product contains electronic documentation.
Backup copy of software is included.
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Well, when the IBM PC came out in 1981, needless to say it was an enormous disappointment. It wasn't much better than anything else I had already been using for three or four years already, except the PC was much, much more expensive. No hard disk unless you wanted to buy an upgraded power supply (more $$$) and then all they offered was 10 MB. Forget about multiple users or multitasking. It didn't even have the equivalent of CP/M's PIP. The whole thing seemed... intentionally crippled. This was supposed to be the future of computing? In my opinion it was a major step backward. The XT that followed it offered only minimal improvements. I rejected the IBM PC as not cost effective and kept using my CP/M dinosaurs.
So, when Apple introduced the Macintosh a couple years later I finally saw, in the flesh, what I thought a computer ought to be. A totally bit mapped display, a robust 16/32 bit processor, real sound capability (everything before it could only "beep") and a true graphical UI. You could name a file anything you want, no 8x3 idiocy. +To this day+ Windows carries remnants of 8x3 filenames!
The Macintosh blew away the PC, if not in performance, in its potential. Unlike the "crippled" PC the Mac seemed limitless. This was cool. The Mac wasn't without limitations though - there was no good way to install a hard disk for instance - but for some reason I considered those limitations trivial and believed they would be overcome in the near future. I waited for the first "upgrade" - the "Fat Mac" with a whopping 512K memory. Half a megabyte!
I used that computer for several years, until the SE/30 came out, which I kept in service for about ten years. I ultimately expanded its memory to 32 MB while PC users were struggling with extended memory or expanded memory - you had to know which was which - to get beyond the PC's stupid 640K barrier. My 30 MB HD eventually grew small, but that was easily remedied with an external SCSI drive. Although the computer did everything I ever expected it to do, the Internet eventually made it functionally obsolete. It could run a browser (forget which one) but the black and white limitation made it marginally useful.
I eventually replaced it with an iMac, which echoed the original Mac's introduction with its forward-thinking design. The iMac opened up a new world in much the same way the original Macintosh did in 1984.
All my Macs still work.
yoshitaka wrote:
... After only one week with a mac I dont know how I lived without one, and my carer says it has made me show immense improvements day-to-day.
That pretty much sums it up.
In retrospect, I believe that IBM and its marriage of convenience with Microsoft delayed the evolution of desktop computing a decade or more. I cringe whenever I think of the aggregate productivity loss and utter frustration shared by millions of PC / Windows devotees all these years.

What is the Best & Max Upgrade for Used Power Mac G5

Hi All,
I need your help on purchasing an old Second hand Power Mac G5, which will coast me nearly 1900$ with 20" Cinema Display? is this price is OK for the below Spec.:
Processor: 2.0Ghz Dual Core (1MB Cache for single core)
RAM: 512 MB, DDR SDRAM PCI 533.
Graphic Card: Nvidia 6600 128
Hard Disk: 160GB
And Super Drive for the DVD Rom.
As you see its have an old Graphic Card and Small amount of RAM so what is the best amount I can Add on RAM and Best Graphic Card to get the perfect performance?
And What is the max size of the hard drive supported by the machine is it 2TB or less?
And last not least can I install the new OSX (Leopard) on the machine and is there any difference between MAC Pro G5 and Power Mac G5?
Looking forward for the answers and hopefully as soon as possible because I afraid somebody else will gonna by it, Thanks for the support and Good Bye.
Thanks & Regards,
UAEonline

Hi! It all depends on your use. If the machine is to be used for serious work such as video editing and Photoshop use then the more power you have usually means more productivity. On the other hand if you are just surfing the net and using word applications like Microsoft Office then nearly any machine is suitable. The early G5's could use 8 gigs of ram and the newer ones 16. Look HERE for late model specs and look HERE for slightly older models. For most people the fastest iMac is a hard machine to beat but there are tradeoffs with an all in one machine. If one component fails it's hard to repair but with a tower design such as a G5 or MacPro the components are easily more replaced. Also expandability with a tower is easier. You can multiple hard drives to a tower that you can't with an all-in-one machine. The new Macpros start at 2799 as per APPLE's SITE while the fastest iMac is 2199 as per APPLE's Site. I'm not a video card expert nor a raid expert so I'll leave those questions to others. Tom

2nd Power Mac as HD Dock Verses Hard Drive Dock

I had Startech satdock4u2e dock with spaces for four hard drives. I hadn't used it for a awhile, but today I found that someone had left the two fans running, which apparently burned the unit out as nothing works although the light on the power adapter clearly shows its getting power. Probably the same person who trashed part of the operating system. In any case this dock was like $120 to $130.00 when new so it got me to thinking why bother putting such money in an item with such cheap short term fans. Some of the other docking stations I've seen cost a lot more and probably don't use standard parts or or parts which are not replaceable.
I have room for another aluminum cased Power Mac here so I am thinking why not buy a second used Power Mac and essentially use it as a docking station. I am starting to expand my self employment in graphics work and often work with very large images (2GB +/-) so I am looking to archive my work on HDs. As the HD units become full they would be removed from the 2nd Power Mac and placed into storage.
Can I use the second Mac Pro as a slave unit without any OS installed on it or would it be better to install a OS on it, but have no monitor?
I am thinking that I might have to install an OS as I have smcFanControl installed on my current Power Mac for increasing the fan speed and I would want that on the second Power Mac.
I wanting to use Carbon Copy Cloner to update the image files on the 2nd Power Mac. I have two spare ports open on my router so I am thinking of just connecting the 2nd Mac Pro via ethernet.
Any advice would be appreciated.

Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:
does not work any longer due to cheap fans
Then pull out the fans, look up the part numbers on their labels, and figure out what air moved in cfm and sound generated in db are. Then look for fans with at least those cfm specs and quieter, and your repair cost will likely be under US$20.
Using a US$1500 Mac Pro silver tower as a hard drive enclosure does not make sense. It could do much more, and uses too much power just to spin up Hard drives.
They don't sell parts. The unit is not meant to be serviced.
These exact fans appear to available from once source in Hong Kong for $15.35 each; however, there is lot of evidence that this place is a scam. How exactly do they ship two fans from H.K. for free for instance? In any case if there is a problem with the items you are expected to ship them back to H.K. as outlined by people who have previously purchased from them. In any case I'd have the same junk fans from China and what is to say the fans didn't burn out other parts of the circuit board to boot.
I am not sure where that $1500 figure comes from, but they don't regularly sell for that used unless you got something extra special and its in mint condition with its original box in which case I wouldn't be buying one of those in the first place.
Power usage is not an issue even if the unit was left running all the time. Less power would be used if kept in sleep mode or shut down completely for once a week backups, which would be similar to wear possible caused by hot swapping them into a dock once a week (i.e., the old leaving them run all the time versus shutting them down argument).
Use a sledge hammer to tap a tack into the wall... whoops broke the dry wall and 2x4!
The FBDIMMs in the 2006-2008 can also put out 10-15W per DIMM and the backside of the case is putting out a lot of heat, enough to warm a room, but generally I don't hear the fans until they hit 1000 rpm and Apple chose to have a default that was too slow to do a good job cooling the memory cage (which blocks air flow from reaching into it properly, and chose to be quiet over adequate or better cooling). And to avoid at any cost going back to the terrible liquid cooling of the G5s.
For casual use I have some fanless open "docks" that are hot-swap and open and yes "warm to the touch" but not hot.
Use to buy only OWC drive cases, some were too loud, some were cheap, never had a problem as far as failure goes.
The balance between noise and cooling, plus how different and what harmonics and sounds people are comfortable with - it may not be "loud" but just the wrong Hz for my ears. You'll love SSDs, a heat sink, no fan, expensive but no moving parts - and fast.
Heat killing disk drives today is less of an issue. 128GB are inside tablets that have no apparent issues or cooling. Servers and big customers demanded and got drives and processors that operate safely 5 and 10 and 15*C warmer than before.
When did you last notice that Seagate and Western Digital 4TB drives have operating temps like these?
http://www.legitreviews.com/seagate-desktop-hdd-15-4tb-vs-wd-black-4tb-hard-driv e-review_2182
The two main killers of electronics are heat and dust. The cooler the drive runs the longer it will last regardless of what the manufacturer's data says. I tend not to believe what the manufacturer's say - as an example I'd give the current argument among some computer users that some of WD's new Caviar Black HDs are not actually caviar black models, but lessor drives with a black sticker.
The cooler a piece of equipment runs the longer it will last generally applies to most other items. After all we have local farmer's who run their $250,000 tractors at night because they run better and it means less wear and the possibility of having a maintenance problem during harvest season where it might 100 F outside.
I must agree the Apple default fan speed is bad. In winter the internal temp is 108 with the fans at default. In summer its its 122/126 with the default Apple fan setting. This area of the country can easily be 30 below zero in winter (with wind chill) and 100 in the summer. With smcFanControl I able to run the temps downward. In the winter this has an advantage of the computers actually heating the room they are in as you have said. - I actually shut off one of the furnace vents.
I tend to baby my computers a lot - I guess that is why I still have 10+ year old G4 PowerPCs running and look like they are new, although I like the ease of use of the aluminum cases much better.

Power Mac 10.5.8 Cannot Eject Drives or Send Files to Trash

Hello,
I'm posting to the forum for a friend. He is using a Power Mac OSX 10.5.8 with Dual 2 GHz Power PC G5 processor. The past two months he has been having issues deleting files and ejecting drives (flash drives and external hard drives). He will move files to the trash and the animation (poof of dust) and sound will occur but the actual file is not deleted. Also, when he tries to eject any drives, an error message appears stating the drive is in use by other applications. However, no other applications besides finder are open, and when I check the task manager, none are running in the background. This error has caused one of his external hard drives to become corrupted. We recently updated the computer and after the update the permissions were messed up and we couldn't even create a new folder due to insufficient permisions. We're currently running all available first-aid commands from disk utility. If anyone knows what the issue might be, please respond.
Much appreciated, blessings.
Isabel

Hello,
Could be many things, we should start with this...
"Try Disk Utility
1. Insert the Mac OS X Install disc, then restart the computer while holding the C key.
2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu at top of the screen. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)
*Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*
3. Click the First Aid tab.
4. Select your Mac OS X volume.
5. Click Repair Disk, (not Repair Permissions). Disk Utility checks and repairs the disk."
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214
Then try a Safe Boot, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, reboot when it completes.
(Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive.)
If perchance you can't find your install Disc, at least try it from the Safe Boot part onward.

Power Mac G5: A common dilemma: to upgrade or buy new

I know there are a lot of discussions on this topic going around, but everyone's needs and uses are different, so I'd appreciate any input on my situation.
I own a Dual 1.8 GHz Power Mac G5 with only 1GB RAM and a failing 160GB hard drive.
At this point, I basically only use this machine for web browsing, iTunes, and Garageband, and am running Tiger.
I had been having some major hard drive problems so I wiped my system and re-installed Tiger , importing everything from my iBookG4 (which, I recently dropped and the screen connection has failed and is unusable except for as an external hard drive in target disk mode. it is probably too expensive to fix for what its worth so I will probably try to sell it for scrap).
Anyway, everything was ok for about a week until I opened firefox and noticed all my settings and bookmarks were gone. When I restarted my computer, my music, pictures, documents, and movies folders were all unable to be located (although my applications were fine and my hard drive still showed that the space was the same). I'm not sure if I imported some problem from my iBook or if my hard drive was just messing up again, but I've decided that I either need to upgrade or get a new computer.
Basically, I am thinking about upgrading my memory, getting a new hard drive, and upgrading to leopard (mostly for time machine). Or, possibly getting a new iMac or waiting a bit and then getting a new iMac or even (gasp) a PC (highly unlikely).
I was going to get the memory from ramjet and I was thinking of only adding 1GB to make 2GB but could be persuaded of getting more but 400Mhz DDR memory is a bit more expensive than other types. As for the hard drive, I was thinking about getting a Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/s 320-GB Hard Drive with a 16 MB cache. I could pay $15 more for a 500GB with 32 MB cache but i really don't need the space and am unsure whether the cache will really help much. Seagates used to have a pretty good rep I thought, but now they seem to be getting mixed reviews, so I don't know.
Obviously, I am no computer expert, so any help would be great. Would it be worth it to spend between $250 and $325 to get the memory, drive, and leapord when I could maybe sell my G5 and my 23" apple cinema display (the old clear kind) and get an iMac? I could maybe get about $700 - $800 for the G5 and around $300 - $350 for the display. Will an iMac be faster than my G5 with the upgrades? I don't think I need a mac pro for my current uses.
Thanks for your help. Feel free to offer advice on what to do with my iBook too.
-rhineth

Memory: $60 for 2 x 1GB, I'd call that very affordable.
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/3200DDR2GBP/
Disk drives: 2 x $69 for pair of WD Caviar 640GB
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Western%20Digital/WD6400AAKS/
It is not about capacity as much as speed and quiet, cool, and how well it handles OS X. I use half the drive, other half is unformatted free space. I'd skip the Seagates. 7200.11 is current.
I expect new iMacs in '09 as they are overdue.
Hard drives you keep or put in FW case.
Current Leopard is 10.5.4 DVD but would be nice to see another DVD now with 10.5.6, $109 (Amazon, maybe less Newegg?).
iMac vs others:
http://www.macworld.com/article/133467/2008/05/imaccomparison.html
http://www.barefeats.com/harper7.html
http://www.barefeats.com/imp02.html
Sounds like three things you may not be doing or have:
SuperDuper for backups. You don't need Leopard.
Disk Warrior. Everyone, or I should say "HFS+" needs #1 disk repair utility.
Backup drives. Two backup sets you switch between, and a small "emergency" partition on one for running Disk Warrior and such.
I replace or move older drives to backup use and put new boot drive in on a yearly basis. Some new drives and memory should be all you need. A couple people even stress their system with graphics and video, and upgrading to 3 or 4 new drives revived their system so that they could hold on and wait another year.

I want to run hardware test on my Power Mac G5 but it isn't working.

What I tried:
I have the original install disc 1 which came with the machine in the optical drive (which is the usual one). I printed the hardware test guide which is on the disc, disconnected everything but mouse, keyboard and monitor. I tried to boot, pressing the Alt/Option key, but the "system picker" or boot menu won't show up. What happens is what somebody described as for "old world" macs: my system boots with no finder window open and without the white screen and apple logo (which usually shows up during startup).
I also tried something I found in a user manual pdf for Power Mac G5 on the apple archives: Booting and press-holding C (btw it's strange that this manual says something different than the manual on the original disc). What happens here is that my machine is booting from the original disc but it boots in Installation mode. I looked at every drop-down-menu I could find there for several times but there is definitely no hardware test, since this is thought to install Mac OS 10.4.
I also tried the Intel-way and holding D during boot, but no surprise, it only booted the first drive (like it should on a pre-Intel).
But something about this all is very strange. Yesterday night I tried all these steps above and when I was close to fall asleep in front of my monitor it suddenly worked and I made it finally into the hardware test. If I remember correctly, I was holding down the C key, but as I said a was pretty dizzy and can be mistaken. I ran hardware test once enhanced and it stopped during ram, giving me an error code I wrote down. But since I made it into the test and was so tired, I thought "lets continue tomorrow" which was my epic fail for this year, I guess. Today I repeated every step, every way I tried but it just doesn't work; and I read sooo many forums and Q&A's.
By the way here is my error code which appeared after 49 minutes (to proof I didn't dream this):
"2MEM/1/4: DIMM3/J14"
Why do I want to do this?
Around the 1st of September this year my Power Mac G5 didn't boot anymore (the fan speeding issue). After reading a little online I came to the point that its either my Ram memory or its my graphics card or its Pram or NVram. I resetted Pram and NVram, I also replaced battery and then it booted again for one day but on the following day it didn't. I repeated every step but the battery replacement since it was a brand new one. It can only be Ram memory or my Graphics card (which is the standard one for this machine).
Since then my Power Mac was rarely in use, only two or three times in Firewire Target Mode to access some of the data. Yesterday I wanted to do this again; booting it in FT mode but I must have connected my keyboard too late during booting and my machine surprisingly booted just fine! I was so stoked about this! Then I wanted to find out why it didn't work for a while and started several steps. Ran maintanance scripts, repaired the system volume, checked for enough free space, checked my Ram and then I stumbled on the interwebs over the hardware test which is delivered on the original install disc 1 and I never heard about this before (strange enough). What followed is written above.
What do I have?
I have this:
Modellname:
Power Mac G5
Modell-Identifizierung:
PowerMac7,3
Prozessortyp:
PowerPC G5 (3.0)
Prozessorgeschwindigkeit:
2 GHz
Anzahl der CPUs:
2
L2-Cache (pro CPU):
512 KB
Speicher:
4 GB
Busgeschwindigkeit:
1 GHz
Boot-ROM-Version:
5.2.4f1
Seriennummer (System):
CK52107BRTY
Hardware-UUID:
00000000-0000-1000-8000-000D93640EEE
Sorry for the German but I think you still get it. The PPC was delivered with 10.4 and I bought it used from a friend with his original Update disc to 10.5 and I updated to the max, 10.5.8. I have 2x 1TB drive (similar ones) together as a Raid0 and three partitions on it. (I know now that it doesnt make that much of a sense).
Yeah so I really want to find out why my machine didn't work for three months but since it is so old and I'm a student, it doesn't make any sense to me to go to an Apple store or similar to have it expensively serviced since there is no guarantee that these guys really help you (heard some stories about the local stores here).
Is there a way to re-access the hardware test and run it to the end?
As you might have noticed, I'm pretty desperate. I would soooooooo appreciate it!!
Best,
Erik

"2MEM/1/4: DIMM3/J14"
Replace the memory in the DIMM 3 slot.
If you are running Mac OS X 10.5 you can use this program to test your G5's memory:
http://www.kelleycomputing.net/Rember/
It will subject your RAM to a more thorough test than Apple Hardware Test.

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