External edit (TIFF) and metadata

For some weeks (I guess since I'm using Max OS X Lion or since I'm using LR 3.6) I got a problem with all external edited photos after the external changes are imported into Lightroom.
If I make any changes on metadata (or editing the photo in develop module) after I've edited a photo in an external editor (in this case it is Nik Silver Efex Pro 2) Lightroom can't write metadata anymore.
The original files are DNGs created from Leica M9 DNGs (uncompressed) by Lightroom 3.6 on import and I use TIFF-copies for external editing in SEP2.
To be completely clear, here's my workflow:
import as DNG
basic edits in LR develop module
right-click > edit in > SEP2
use copy with LR-changes: TIFF, 240dpi, ProPhoto RGB, ZIP-compession
convert to black and white in SEP2
save and go back to LR
change metadata or sometimes make some further adjustments in LR develop module
>>> warning sign on photo (grid view)!
If I then re-import the metadata from the file all changes in Lightroom after the external editing are gone. Saving the metadata again doesn't work and changes nothing.
Does anybody know if that's a bug (in LR, Lion or SEP2) or if I can do anything to prevent that problem in future?

Sorry I should have been clear - I am referring to IPTC metadata.

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And naturally, since XPath is supposed to work over a DOM, I thought I could use it as a shortcut.
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import java.awt.image.BufferedImage;
import java.awt.image.RenderedImage;
import javax.imageio.metadata.IIOMetadata;
import javax.imageio.ImageIO;
import javax.imageio.ImageTypeSpecifier;
import javax.imageio.ImageWriteParam;
import javax.imageio.ImageWriter;
import javax.xml.transform.Transformer;
import javax.xml.transform.TransformerFactory;
import javax.xml.transform.dom.DOMSource;
import javax.xml.transform.stream.StreamResult;
import javax.xml.xpath.XPath;
import javax.xml.xpath.XPathConstants;
import javax.xml.xpath.XPathFactory;
import org.w3c.dom.Node;
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        IIOMetadata metadata = imageWriter.getDefaultImageMetadata(new ImageTypeSpecifier(image), writeParam);
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        Node metadataRoot = metadata.getAsTree(metadata.getNativeMetadataFormatName());
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        System.out.print("XML:");
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        Object result = xPath.evaluate("//TIFFField[@number='282']/TIFFRationals/TIFFRational", metadataRoot, XPathConstants.NODE);
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}The first bit of the output was done to see what XPath to use. It contains XML like this:
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        <TIFFRationals>
            <TIFFRational value="1/1"/>
        </TIFFRationals>
    </TIFFField>So my XPath:
//TIFFField[@number='282']/TIFFRationals/TIFFRationalshould work fine.
I wonder if this is a bug in the ImageIO metadata code, or if I'm actually doing something wrong here.

Hi!
I try to get tiff tags together with their data out of a TIFF-file with the use of DOM. I get problems reading the metadata. How can I read metadata so I can output it like above?
thanks in advanced.
Errors I get:
Exception in thread "main" javax.imageio.IIOException: I/O error reading image metadata!
at com.sun.media.imageioimpl.plugins.tiff.TIFFImageReader.readMetadata(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.media.imageioimpl.plugins.tiff.TIFFImageReader.seekToImage(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.media.imageioimpl.plugins.tiff.TIFFImageReader.getImageMetadata(Unknown Source)
at tiffmetadatabug.Main.main(Main.java:96)
Caused by: java.io.EOFException
at javax.imageio.stream.ImageInputStreamImpl.readShort(ImageInputStreamImpl.java:211)
at javax.imageio.stream.ImageInputStreamImpl.readUnsignedShort(ImageInputStreamImpl.java:222)
at com.sun.media.imageioimpl.plugins.tiff.TIFFIFD.initialize(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.media.imageioimpl.plugins.tiff.TIFFIFD.initialize(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.media.imageioimpl.plugins.tiff.TIFFImageMetadata.initializeFromStream(Unknown Source)
... 4 more
Java Result: 1

External editor (PS) and metadata

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I have my iPhoto 5 library sorted by date and for the most part, any albums are also sorted by date. I prefer to keep iPhoto as the default editor because the red eye tool works most of the time and I like being able to see a larger picture when I double-click on a thumbnail. For other editing, I export the photo, edit it in photoshop and then reimport. I save the photo in photoshop format so I can maintain layers, etc, just in case I want to go back later and change something. The problem is that saving as photoshop rewrites any metadata so when I reimport the photo, it gets automatically sorted to the wrong place.
I would like to keep the time/date stamp in the metadata. Any ideas how I can retain that metadata, but still edit outside of iPhoto (ie in Photoshop)?
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I picked at photoshop a bit more and found that the picture files retain metadata of the date shot. The issue then is that iPhoto's sort by date seems to look at the date modified instead of the date shot. This might be more of a feature request than a real question, but is it possible to have iPhoto organize it's library by date shot, then by date modified (for non-date-shot date embedded photos)?

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I have 30,000 images in Aperture and it keeps crashing. I've run out of memory on my MacBook Pro running 10.8.6 and I want to switch over to Lightroom for all new photos and slowly migrate my best ones over to LR as well. I've edited many of my best shots already, probably 6000 or more, so I need to feel confident that cropping, editing, rating, and metadata will all migrate successfully.
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no ..
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If so, what happens when you select it? Do you get any further message?
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Connect the external content type TestA to the table that I created in step 1.
Create Read Item and Read List operations in the content type. When creating Read List operation, add a filter based on “employee ID”.
Click Save.
Create another external content type called TestB
Connect the external content type TestB to the table which was created in step 1.
Create Read Item and Read List operations in the content type. When creating Read List operation, add a filter based on “project ID”.
Click Save.
Then I went back to edit the Read List operation of external content type TestA via clicking Read List operation under External Content Type operations->Edit Operation.
No error displayed.
So, I could not reproduce this issue.
Whether you got the error when you clicked “Edit Operation” in SharePoint Designer. Please provide a screenshot about this issue.
Please check whether someone has changed the table special for the column “employee ID”.
And whether you have created an external list using the problematic external content type. If yes, please check whether it could work well.
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Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files ignored when unchecked

In the Catalog Settings under the Metadata tab, I have unchecked the option 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files'.
I then selected a JPEG photograph in the Library module and chose Metadata/Save Metatdata to File. I wanted to save the metadata that I had added (keywords, IPTC, rating, etc), but not the develop settings.
I then imported the jpeg back into another catalog. The metadata I had added was there as expected, but so are the develop settings. This I did not expect or want.
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10. Open "Catalogue Settings" from the Edit menu and uncheck (turn off) the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files".
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12. Select "Save Metadata to File".
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He also states "Photoshop also lets you save layers to the TIFF and PDF formats, but where multilayer compositions are concerned, the native PSD Format enjoys wider support among other imaging applications (including, older versions of Photoshop itself)."
Classroom In A Book states:
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Apple Aperture 1.5 by Mike Cuenca:
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Bob12312321 wrote:
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