Facial Recognition issues

So I have a few issues.
1) In iPhoto I noticed the more faces that I put in anyone person the higher the sucsess rate or finding more similar faces. Thus when I would show un-named faces I could just click conirm yes or no. In Aperture, I have rougly 10,000 faces from several hundred people that I have put in. Example my daugher, I have 690 photos of her with her face properly identified. However, while Aperture does an amazing job finding faces, and car rims, and tree branchs it does no longer suggest thier names. I have to manually put each one in. With other 50,000 imges with probably 150,000 people in it. So how do I get aperture to suggest faces anymore?
2) Also in iPhoto it would tell me how many more pictures I have to identify that are unknowns and in Aperture I can't figure out how many I have left to do. Is there a way to see that?
3) I have my facebook set up in Aperture, however in iPhoto when I typed in a name that was on facebook it would show the persons face next to theri name. In Aperture I see the gray box with no face. This makes me think my names are not connected or connecting to the internet. The strange thing is, I can add photos to facebook so the online connecivity would apear correct.
To explain how I got to this which may help you figure out a solution. I initally had a folder with all my photos on it on my PC. I moved the folder to my iMac, from there, I imported them all into iPhoto. When I got Aperture, I imported all my iPhoto work wich took about 7-8 hours.
Thank you in advance for your help, suggestions, and

Andrea
What version of Premiere Elements are you using and on what computer operating system is it running? Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements are standalone products, each coming with an Elements Organizer. Same version, with both on the same computer they share the same Elements Organizer catalog.
All that being said....your question has somehow been posted in the Adobe Premiere Elements Forum (video editing) and not the Adobe Photoshop Elements Forum (photo editing).
It would be to your advantage to post your thread in the Adobe Photoshop Elements Forum so that people like Barbara Brundage, MichelBParis, dj_Paige and others can work with your on your Elements Organize facial recognition questions.
Photoshop Elements
Please let us know your situation, program wise.
Thank you.
ATR

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Lightroom becomes largely unresponsive after having a fair number of images to be confirmed, even after pausing Address and Facial Recognition. So even selecting 4 rows of images can take 5 minutes with several long pauses.
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When I click on an individual at the top of the page, pause facial recognition and address lookup it still continues to "Look for similar faces" [BUG!!!!!!!!] even though all I want to do is just confirm some individuals more quickly in bulk with the images already identified.. not continue to look for more as a work around for the painfully slow responsiveness of the module.
The odd part is that with all of the performance issues Lightroom will not use more than 20-30% of my two Xeon CPUs, barely touches my GPU (<10% CPU, 30% memory), my and no more than 35% of my memory. Computer Temps are also barely above startup temperatures and 15-25 degrees cooler than when I run other applications which will consume my entire CPU and memory if I let it. I have explored Lightroom's settings but seen nothing further I can configure to speed it all up. I have also attempted the operation on images on the SSD, my drobo (known to be slow), an independent fast disk I have, and a pair of raided disks and have the same issues.
I will also note that all of my other applications seem to continue to operate just fine.. the slowness seems to be contained to the Lightroom application itself.
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Thank you, Henk ... that's also how it works for me. It seems that the 8.1.1 update shifted more of the work load to the initial search for faces, i.e., "Detect Missing Faces". However, it still takes a little time to match each face, particularly if there are many faces. The big difference is that a little time is a lot better than an seemingly-infinite amount of time, which was how it used to work ... at least it seemed that way.
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OK, PE has Facial Recognition, it works very well. I try to use LR 4 or 5 to pullin the PE catalog

I spent days in Photoshop Elements Organizer "adding" people. I got over 24K images tagged wtih people.
I then brought up LR (tried with both 4 and 5) and "converted existing PE catalog. unfortunatly, NONE of the people data came accross into LR.
So, I wasted days of work.
How am I supposed to pull in that date from PE Organizer into LR? Its why I used PE to do facial recognition, and wanted LR for work flow, but wanted quick smart sets based on faces in the pictures.
looks beautiful in PE Organizer, looks normal in LR. Any help is appreciated.

I thought about the converting the "People" info in PSE Organizer to a "Tag" to be imported inot LR when you convered the PSE Organizer catalog.
First, I thought People was a tag, and should have automatically picked up and tied to the photo within LR. (obviously not the case) and second of all, i really have no idea how to do this.
I really don't have to have to tag 24K photo's with the names of people again in LR since I spent weeks in PSE. Especially since there isn't a facial recognition option in LR like PSE.
Still looking. BTW, the excecise of using Facial Recognition on PSE helped me eleminate over 5200 duplicate photos. So, it wasn't all wasted.
Thansk ssprengel for responding. Hopefull someone there will no how to exececute on your idea.
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