"Falloff" in edge sharpen...

Is it me, is it my old eyes... Or does the "falloff" slider in edge sharpen not appear to do that much?
I think I'm having some confusion with the edge sharpening in general... If I understand correctly, you should move the first slider all the way to the right, then the second slider to the right until the edges are sharp without introducing sharpening the noise, then the falloff slider (That I can't see doing anything) then back off the first slider to below .50? Is that correct?

And thus the confusion. From the Aperture User Manual (page 462):
*To sharpen an image*:
1 In the Edge Sharpen area of the Adjustments inspector or the Adjustments pane of
the Inspector HUD, +*set the Intensity slider to the maximum value*+ to see the effect of
the operation.
2 Adjust the +*Edges slider so you can see which parts of the image are being sharpened*+.
If possible, adjust the Edges slider so that edges are sharpened, but noise and texture
in the image are not affected.
3 Adjust the Falloff slider so that the edge sizes you want sharpened the most are
accentuated.
4 *+Decrease the Intensity parameter value+* until the sharpening effect is appropriately
subtle. +*Values below 0.5 usually work best*+.
I'm trying to get a good handle on the above, but you think I should set the intensity higher?

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1. All the settings under Adjustments will be stamped, at this point is not possible to select only one adjustment. If you are gonna apply the same settings to few images you can untick the boxes of the adjustments you don't want to copy to other images, then lift the adjustments (only those with the box ticked will be lifted) and stamp it to the others.
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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304536
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When I mostly worked with PS I used an adjustment for sharpening portraits and another one for landscapes.
I wonder if someone could tell me a general good value for ·Edge Sharpening" with these two options working with Aperture.
Best regards.
iMac Intel Duo 2 Core Mac OS X (10.4.8)

I've saved several settings from which I select:
(weak) 50/33/66, 50/33/99, 50/50/99, 50/66/99 and 66/66/99 (strong).
Generally, on high ISO shots, I use weaker sharpening than on low ISO shots. Portraits also usually want less sharpening than, say, landscapes.
Otherwise I have no real rule of thumb. Depends on the image. I play with the sliders (which work quite well these days on my old G4 powerbook, as long as I don't have shadows / highlights enabled - thanks for that, Joe and team!) until I'm happy in this order: first the top slider, then the second one, and finally the third one.
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If it is not in the default set then Léonie's screen capture will look like this. In her shot she has the brick as part of her default set so hers says Remove.
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Thanks William.
My question was not primarily, whether you use the defaults for edge sharpen.
Let's explain it a bit more detailed:
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Kind regards

that one is already a default ... at least it was for
me after upgrading to 1.5 ...
maybe someone who has the plist in front of them can
give the exact, or else i will when i get home ...
My face is FF0000!! You are right, it is there. I don't believe it was before 1.5 and I missed it.
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Yep. And rebooted, too.
And this is reproducible.
Very odd.
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