Fedora 17 does a noob-friendly UEFI installation

In case anybody's interested, Fedora 17, which was just officially released, will do a painless, no-hands UEFI installation.
I burned the standard 64-bit ISO to a CD, then set my machine to boot UEFI-only (i.e., no legacy BIOS boot possible). I directed the installer to use the entire hard drive.
After that I just watched.
Fedora formatted my drive GPT, created a 200Mb EFI partition, a swap partition and a third partition for all the rest. It also correctly created a UEFI boot entry for Fedora. In other words, Fedora is now handling installation to UEFI machines without any intervention.
I know that Arch users aren't looking for a painless, no-hands installation scheme, and I'm not suggesting that Arch follow Fedora in this or be more like Fedora. I'm just pointing out that at least one mass-market distro is accommodating current hardware.
Some Arch users may find it instructive to see how Fedora sets itself up on a UEFI machine, if they have a test drive lying around and a spare 20 minutes. Fedora seems to follow more or less the same instructions that have been discussed in some detail on the Arch forum.
Last edited by dhave (2012-06-01 05:02:13)

scjet wrote:Anyway,
$99 ?!, I'll seriously, and happily "donate/GIVE" that to Arch to implement this shim, if possible? I mean, Arch is kinda redhat-like in certain system aspects anyway.
It's possible to do it even without paying a cent; you just need users to jump through the one additional hoop of adding a MOK to the Machine Owner Key (MOK) database. Basically, you'd use Matthew Garrett's signed shim, Fedora's signed shim, or any other signed shim with MOK support. Include the MokManager.efi program associated with the shim being distributed. Distribute a version of grubx64.efi (which could be GRUB, ELILO, rEFInd, or some other boot program -- although gummiboot won't work) that's signed with an Arch MOK, and sign the Arch kernels with the same MOK. When the user boots for the first time, MokManager will launch and the user will have to locate and select Arch's public key. Thereafter it will work fine.
Of course, getting a version of shim signed with Microsoft's key and with Arch's MOK built in would be better, since that would eliminate the need for users to use MokManager, at least for launching standard Arch-provided kernels. This is good because MokManager has a cutting-edge 1980 user interface, the likes of which hasn't been seen since the Apple II. I'm sure the average Arch user can deal with it, but still....
Another option is the Linux Foundation's PreBootloader. It's still not available in signed form, but when it becomes available it may become a usable option. Of interest to Arch users is that it may work with gummiboot as a follow-on boot program, which shim can't do -- at least, not unless and until gummiboot incorporates explicit support for shim.

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Everything went fine, I rebooted my system and it automatically booted into grub instead of win8 (win bootloader should have been standard in my asus uefi bios), so I rebooted again and tried to switch back to win bootloader in asus uefi bios, but the win entry was gone.
So back to arch, my output for sda looks like this:
[root@chief-pc chief]# sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda
GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.7
Partition table scan:
MBR: protective
BSD: not present
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GPT: present
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Partitions will be aligned on 2048-sector boundaries
Total free space is 233827181 sectors (111.5 GiB)
Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
1 2048 616447 300.0 MiB 2700 Basic data partition
So where are all the win8 partitions? efi, system-reserved and ntfs
I never touched sda during the installation.
Please help me out here
best regards chief

chieffun wrote:
[root@chief-pc chief]# sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda
Disk /dev/sda: 234441648 sectors, 111.8 GiB
Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
1 2048 616447 300.0 MiB 2700 Basic data partition
So where are all the win8 partitions? efi, system-reserved and ntfs
I never touched sda during the installation.
First, please verify that this is the correct disk. As Trilby pointed out, disk device names (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc.) can change. There may be a clue in the disk size: 111.8GiB. If both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb were identical, that might not be enough of a clue; but if your disks all had unique sizes, the disk size should tell you which one is which.
Second, the type code 2700 refers to a Windows Recovery Environment (RE) partition. This suggests that this partition is an emergency partition, and the size of 300MiB seems consistent with that. OTOH, the partition name of "Basic data partition" suggests something else. The fact that the one partition fills far less than the entire disk is not a good sign. You could try using "blkid" on the partition in Linux to see what its filesystem type is, and perhaps mount it to examine its contents.
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WonderWoofy wrote:The manual nature of the Arch Linux installation means that you (should) know exactly what you are implementing and what it is doing. So the only way that Arch Linux can wipe out another system is if the administrator (you) wipes them out.
I agree. Some inadvertent action that you haven't reported must be responsible for these problems. It's conceivable that the action was in another distribution's installer or even in Windows.
WonderWoofy wrote:The only thing you can try is to see if you can use some kind of partition recovery software. There are some out there that can (somewhat reliably) detect where the start and end points of the old partitions were, and regenerate the partition table for you. The other type of recovery software is those that scan the device and try to recover individual lost files. Some of them do both. You should probably start reading up on them.
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chieffun wrote:So I thought that maybe arch does not like 2 efi partitions in one system and corrupted it somehow.
No, that can't be it. As cfr says, Windows doesn't like multiple ESPs; but that's mostly an issue for the Windows installer. (It tends to get confused and aborts halfway through the installation.) I'm not even sure if Windows misbehaves in this way when the ESPs are on different disks; it might handle that situation OK, for all I know. Windows certainly doesn't go postal on its own partitions if it sees two ESPs. That said, it's conceivable that a Windows bug did cause this problem, if you booted Windows at some point during the process.
chieffun wrote:I also tried to rescue with parted rescue command and gpart, looks like something completely wiped (or corrupted) the partitions away. As if they have never been there in the first place...
In my experience, the partition rescue features of GParted and parted are unreliable at best. TestDisk does a much better job.

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Last edited by totolotto (2013-06-22 17:33:39)

totolotto wrote:rEFInd boot manager shows 2 Arch logos:
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2) Boot boot\vmlinuz-linux from 6 GiB ext4 volume
This means that you've got your kernel (or possibly different kernels) stored on two partitions. The first looks like it's a kernel on your ESP, and the second looks like it's your root (/) Linux filesystem, accessed via the rEFInd ext4fs driver. To simplify your life, I recommend deleting the kernel from the ESP and using the kernel in your Linux /boot directory (that is, kernel #2). If you try to keep both of them, you'll have to copy new kernels from /boot to the ESP whenever you upgrade your kernel, and you'll end up with two entries in rEFInd that boot the same kernel, which is sort of pointless.
That said, if you don't want to use rEFInd in the long term, copying your kernels to the ESP, or reconfiguring your mount point so that the ESP is mounted at /boot and therefore your kernels get stored there automatically, can make sense. Given where you are, though, the quickest path to an efficient setup is to just ditch the kernels on the ESP and boot your kernels off of your root (/) partition's /boot directory.
totolotto wrote:With regard to "boot into Arch directly" I understand that it is possilbe with efibootmgr described here, however efrbootmgr does not work for me
Some people do like to boot their kernels directly, without using rEFInd, gummiboot, GRUB, or anything else. Note that efibootmgr isn't involved in the boot process per se; it's just used to set up the firmware's boot manager. Thus, saying you want to "boot with efibootmgr" (or words to that effect) is confusing, even to experts -- because this makes no sense, it's not clear what you really want. This uncertainty has been cleared up in subsequent posts, but I want to point it out to help you (and perhaps others who read this) communicate more clearly in the future.
FWIW, I tend to agree with WonderWoofy on this score -- although it's possible to configure the firmware to boot the kernel directly, the down sides to this approach more than outweigh whatever small speed benefits you get from it. In your case, totolotto, given the problems you're having with efibootmgr, it may not be a practical alternative -- at least, not unless and until you can overcome those problems.
WonderWoofy wrote: I think a better option would be to give rEFInd a timeout of zero. I believe there is a key (or keys?) that you can hold down to have the menu show up when the timeout is set to zero. This is how gummiboot works anyway,
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