Flash memory camcorder with Mini DV quality

I don't know much about camcorders, but right now I have a cannon mini DV camcorder.  I'd like to get a flash memory camcorder with comparable quality.  Last Christmas my brother got an insignia brand which he returned due to grainy/jumpy video.  Any suggestions?

Was the Insignia brand one of the "pocket" ones?  (To my knowledge they only produced "pocket" style cams.)
Nearly all of the "pocket" flash camcorders are cheap and relatively low-quality.  In some situations they can perform well, but nowhere near as well as a proper flash camcorder.  The Insignia pocket camcorders are even worse.  I tried their high definition unit, and it was vastly inferior to even most other pocket camcorders.
To get good quality (comparable to your miniDV camcorder) go for a full-featured flash memory unit like the Canon FS series camcorders.
Unfortunately within the standard definition camcorder market, each camcorder seems to have a major deficiency.  Canon FS series use electronic image stabilization and not optical image stabilization.  Most of the others lack the external microphone that the FS series does have.
The Canon HF series high definition camcorders are excellent.  I have an HF100 and love it.  It is more expensive and requires a beefy computer to work with the video, but the quality is great.  Canon HF-series camcorders were actually used to film some scenes in Crank 2: High Voltage.  (I believe they were used to record in-vehicle video for some of the car crashes.)
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