Footnotes and Bibliography?

It appears that Apple has overlooked the ability to create footnotes and a bibiography in iBooks Author. (yet it's specifically targeted at the academic textbook market) Can this possibly be true???

I accidentally found out that iBooks Author will support footnotes! But you have to create them in another application first.
So here's my story. I use Scrivener 2.2 to create my books. But I really want to use iBooks Author to spice up the final product. I had text for a book typed in Scrivener, with footnotes already created. I copied and pasted them into iBooks Author and lo and behold, all of the footnotes were insterted at the end of the section in iBooks Author as endnotes!
The footnote numbers appeared by the text, and then at the end of the section, the footnote number appeared along with the note, I was also able to go to a footnote and decrease the size of the footnote number (which I like to be smaller than the chapter text). Heck, I'll just show you...
Here are screenshots (it's an old journal of my that I am footnoting). First screenshot is what it looks like in Scrivener, text on the left, footnotes on the right:
I naïvely copied and pasted this text into IBooks. Lucky for me, this is how it came out in iBooks Author:
I didn't realize that I had found a work-around for this footnote problem until I tried adding more footnotes while working in iBooks Author (which led me to these posts). So here's proof that if you create footnotes in another program, at least iBooks Author will recognize and create footnotes for you and put them at the end of the section. I figure it's better than nothing, but not very elegant for such an elegant program. Again, I am also able to change the font size of any footnote number or the text in a footnote.
By the way, if you use this copy and paste method, just make sure you copy and paste an entire chapter all at once. When I copied and pasted paragraph by paragraph, it reordered the numbers back to footnote 1 in each paragraph, and you don't want to re-number them by hand.
If anyone else has tried copying and pasting with another word processor with the same result, please let us all know.
You might be thinking, what's the point of all of this if I have to use two word processors? I think of iBooks Author as my last step, not a word processor. I don't plan on creating my book drafts in it (I've tried, I don't think it's very efficient), I've decided I just want to use iBoooks Author to layout the final content that I created using another word processor, one that has all of the tools I need for efficient writing. Pages, Word or maybe even TextEdit might also work for writing your draft. Since the stuff I write needs footnotes or endnotes, I really don't know of any other options at present if I want to use iBooks Author.

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Cross references can be created in InDesign beginning (I think) in CS4.
Google "InDesign cross reference help" for InDesign Help and tutorials in how to use the cross-reference feature.

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I have tested the plugin: Side Heads from InTools, and tis works well with Indesign files tthat contain footnotes. But this doesn't work with separately placed footnotes from a tagged-text-file, as they re not knotted together.
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How can I adjust the space between the dividing line of the footnotes and the continuous text?

How can I adjust the space between the dividing line of the footnotes and the continuous text?

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How to place footnotes and endnotes on the same page?

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My client has asked me to place all endnotes (references) of each page at the bottom of the page itself along with footnotes, but they shouldn't merge with footnotes. The reason for that he related that it makes easier for the reader to check the reference of the quote immediately at the bottom of the page, instead of flipping over all the pages and going to the end of the book everytime.
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Endnote placeholders are usually customizable to wherever you want them to be.
How to do this? Can anyone enlighten me?
I'm not sure if you're asking this question from a aesthetic design perspective or from a functionality perspective.
Either way, I guess this link should give you some clarity: http://carijansen.com/2010/11/13/footnotes-and-endnotes-with-indesign/
Also, there is already a thread in this forum that should answer your question - http://forums.adobe.com/thread/681891
You may also want to review these links for cross-referencing that cuts down lot of time which came out in CS4 by request:
http://www.adobe.com/designcenter-archive/indesign/articles/lrvid4024_id.html
http://www.adobepress.com/articles/article.asp?p=1332860&seqNum=5
Message was edited by: Sudarshan Thiagarajan
Reason: A couple of more links to detail cross-referencing feature

Appleworks: word count, footnotes and text frames.

Hi there!
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ibook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.3)

AppleWorks offers an option to Count Selection in the Word Count dialogue. Click in the main body of the text, then press command-A to select all. Then go Edit > Writing tools... > Word count... In the dialogue, click the Count Selection checkbox, and you'll notice the count goes down.
Unfortunately, this eliminates only the words contained in Text frames, which, as objects, aren't selected along with the text. Footnotes are included in the text selection, and are included in the count.
To eliminate footnotes (and text in frames) from the count do this:
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•Find/Change (command-F)
--in Find, enter "\f" (without the quotes) (\f is the marker for a footnote)
--leave Change empty
--Click Change All, then OK the warning and the alert telling you how many changes were made.
•Go Edit > Writing tools...> Word Count.
•Close the temporary document without saving.
The process copies the main text and footnotes to a new document, then removes all of the footnotes before you do the word count.
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Problems with endotes and bibliography

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I recently changed to Mac from Microsoft. So far, it's been great. However, I'm having issues with papers i am transferring from one system to another. All of the papers using footnotes are fine, but with endnotes it's a different story. For some reason, iwork refuses to show the entire paper. Let me explain: my paper is divided into three, 1. the text, 2. the endnotes, and 3. the bibliography. The paper itself is 41 pages, but it only shows 40. The last two pages (p. 40-41) should be the bibliography, but only one page (p.40) is showing. I think the problem may be the endnotes. P. 40 has one endnote at the top; it's as if iwork refuses to read anything after that endnote. Hopefully, that kind of made sense, it's hard to explain.

A quick work around: copy and paste the entire bibliography from either TextEdit or OpenOffice/NeoOffice all of which are free and usually do a better job of opening MsOffice files.
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Can you use footnotes AND endnotes in the same document?

I just found out today that I have to have both footnotes (for comments and annotations) and section endnotes (for citations), to follow the formatting guidelines for my thesis... do you know if it's possible to use both with Pages '09? I've spent a long time formatting as it is and really don't want to transfer my document to Word or anything (since I'll lose some of my settings)... I would appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!

The style of footnote/endnote is part of the Document settings so it appears that only one applies per document.
You could switch between them and copy the endnotes as ordinary text into a document which has footnotes.
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Footnotes and full justification?

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Hey Yvan,
Thanks for the help; it must be a bug in this version as I don't recall it in previous versions.
Your idea is a great one, but as it's a manuscript, I'm liable to end up with hundreds of footnotes (the way this author is, it could be thousands!) and I can't afford the time to go back to each one and set full justification in a text frame.
I think I'll just have to put the footnotes in manually (they're end-notes which makes it easier); just put the number in the text, then go to the end of the manuscript and type in the endnote.
It's a pain that the bug hasn't been fixed...
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Footnotes and line spacing

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Does anyone know why, when I create a footnote, the line following is placed in an improbable and non-correctible space below - perhaps as much as a whole line? If anyone does know, do they also know how to correct this globally throughout the document? I ask because if you look in Footnote Reference style it shows no before or after paragraph space, so you can't correct it there. It looks most unsightly!
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I’m glad you got it sorted out. What you describe explains it.
I agree that styles are very confusing at first. Do persevere with them though as they help you get very consistent formatting and make subsequent edits faster and simpler. Ironically they are of most benefit in long documents but that is the last place to learn how to use them because changes can seem so catastrophic.
I got really frustrated on a long document once and started to conclude that styles were more of a hindrance than help. I resorted to making a short two page document based on a blank template, inserted four paragraphs with two different styles and started to experiment with changes to styles. The short document helped me fully appreciate the effect of the changes I made to each style. As I grew more confident, I made the formatting more complex by introducing default styles like headings, lists etc and experimented with changes to them. Once I understood what was going on, I was able to effectively manage my long document. I couldn’t imagine creating documents without styles now.

Footnotes and XML: import and export.

I've been playing around with ID CS4 for a week or two now, and can't seem to figure out a way to get footnotes into, or out of, an InDesign document using the XML import / export feature in the Structure pane. It seems you can't tag footnote text, which precludes it ever being "structured". I did notice the footnote is available when exporting as IDML, however.
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well, this is what i've discovered so far
indesign footnotes don't live on the xml tree, so there's no way for them to be "tagged" as a footnote on import. from what i can tell, the easiest way to "automatically" create footnotes from n xml import is using the indesign scripting system. there are a few pdfs inside the indesign application folder and some samples - these are also available on the adobe website.
using scripting, you can create an xpath query to iterate over your footnote elements, then create an indesign footnote object at the same point in the text, copy the contents from the footnote element into the indesign footnote, then remove the footnote from the xml tree. or maybe just plonk it in a text frame living on a hidden layer or something. i haven't gotten that far yet.
i haven't got as far as exporting yet, but i reckon there could be a similar trick available via scripting. another option would be IDML, which definitely has footnotes tucked away in its pckage somewhere.
does anybody else have a better solution, or more light to shed on the matter?

Footnotes and notecalls in XML workflow for InDesign

I'm a french typesetter working on a project using XML workflow with a large number of footnotes. I have been searching for hours the right way to prepare the XML workflow so I would get all the notecalls and footnotes once the workflow imported in my InDesign file. Thanks in advance to any helping hand.

I wish I could express myself in another language as well as you handle English -- and my bread and butter is typesetting text that is challenging linguistically.
However, I also like to think of my work as setting type, and because I associate XML with robot formatting I am inherently biased against it. Perhaps I'll learn better, but currently I'm not a good source for information on XML.
Still, as I see it XML attempts to come up with a single source for output in various formats. InDesign is really good for making PDF's ready for the press or for distribution electronically: it defines documents in terms of pages and offers precise control over what goes where on every page. This is very important in my work, scholarly material that generally includes linguistic oddities requiring absolute control over fonts. Meanwhile, footnotes -- which of course assume there are pages at whose foot they can sit -- have always been an afterthought in ID, omitted from early versions, and still the subject of many complaints for their inflexibility.
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Is InDesign footnoting capable of doing what you need? My guess is yes so long as you can tweak in ID; but if not then whoever gets tasked with using the masters you develop may not appreciate having to string a separate story of footnotes by hand across the bottoms of pages.
Do you need to get from ID back to XML? I've already mentioned that getting ID footnotes back into XML is a significant issue, but there are other factors: if you use ID PDFs for proofing but the ID files are not going back to XML then corrections must be made to both the XML and ID files. And whether or not you export ID back to XML you get to figure out which ID tweaks are needed in the XML.
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Footnotes and XML

I've painfully discovered that footnotes will not export as XML. I've got many, many books, some with hundreds, if not thousands, of footnotes.
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Thanks. Yes, I found another script that does the same. I used it and it worked. It made them all into endnotes. But, then, when I exported as XML, I discovered that ID doesn't put in any line-endings. Another issue entirely, in another forum.
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Footnotes and DDA accessible pdfs

I have been trying to make footnotes produce in InDesign readable, triggered by the footnote number within the text to no avail. These footnotes are not auto generated as I need full page width footnotes in a two column grid so are just paragraphs.
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1     Tagging the paragraph footnote number as 'figure' with Alt text of the footnote copy.
2     Inserting the number into an anchored text box tagging as above.
3     Inserting the number as a picture into an anchored object box tagging as above.
Help please. Should one of these work or is there a work around?
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Pete Denly

petedenly wrote:
Many thanks Peter for this, I think that the same problem exists with cross-references as well!
Let me try and explain.
What I have been asked to do is produce reports that can also be read by a screen reader for non-sighted people.
The access tags available in InDesign generally work well with one or two exceptions - this being one of them.
When reading a paragraph with a footnote number in it, the reader just reads the text-number-text ok and then reads the footnotes at the bottom of the page as paragraphs following the rest of the page text.
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I hope that explains the problem better?
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Regards
Pete Denly
Hi, Pete:
You are describing changing the reading order within the PDF. I don't know if it's possible to make this happen automatically in InDesign.
A workaround would be to create cross-references to the footnote paragraphs immediately following the footnote reference numbers in the main text, so the screen reader sees the footnote text right after the reference. If you mark these "captured" paragraphs with a condition, you can hide or show them to create a normal PDF, and one for screen readers.
To avoid readers processing the footnotes, you can conditionalize, and hide their condition when you show their captured text in the cross-references. You can cross-reference to hidden conditional text!
Turning the conditions on and off will reflow your document significantly. I'm assuming that page layout isn't an important concern for screen-read documents.
When hiding footnotes, the footnote separator line remains. To remove it, you'd need to turn off Rule Above in the Footnote Options dialog box.
To manage making these variations of final output, you can create one template document for each variation. In this example, the template document for screen readers should have the footnote property of no rule above, and condition settings that display the cross-references that capture the footnotes in text, while hiding the footnotes. The template document for standard output should have the footnote property rule above set on (if you want it), and the condition settings that hide the cross-references and display the footnotes. The template documents don't need any content or layout. To bring the template document properties into your main document you can use Load Conditions and Sets from the Conditional Text panel menu. To do this for multiple files at once, create a book file for each output variation, add the appropriate template file and the rest of the document files to the book, choose the properties you want to load from Synchronize Options on the Book panel menu, then synchronize the book using the template file as the style source.
Because InDesign can't load or synchronize footnote settings across documents - you have to do it manually - it might be more convenient to drag pages from the master document (the one that contains all conditions showing, and footnote rule above on) into each template document, where the condition and footnote settings of the receiving document will apply to the incoming pages.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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Peter Spier suggested my posts on using cross-references while I was writing (and testing) this suggestion. I guess we share a wavelength as well as a first name<G>.

Uppercase commas with footnotes and endnotes?

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When I add two footnote numbers, such as 1 and 2, those smaller-font numbers sit in the top area of the line. So far so good.
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Jerry,
If no one told you today, yet, that you are a genius, then you have now been told!
Thank you so much for coming up with a solution that makes me look GREAT in the eyes of my wife because she is the one writing the scientific paper.
This problem is officially solved and I will punch the nose of anyone who says differently!
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