G4 Digital Audio 733MHz Daughtercard schmatics

Can anyone tell me what the thing is on the daughtercard that has copper wire wrapped around a piece of plastic is? I'm pretty sure it's a coil, but it seems the one on my CPU has fried and so when the computer turns on and heats up the computer freezes in OSX. Also I would like to know where I can purchase one of these and what size I need to get. If anyone can help it would be very appreciated. And if anyone has the breakdown of the different parts on the CPU that would be helpful too.
Thanks.

As long as your daughtercard fried, you may as well buy an upgrade. A new replacement is just as expensive as an upgrade in most cases, and hard to find. If you want a used replacement, ebay would probably yield some, but you'd have to be patient because they come and they go.
I found a whole machine on ebay that is the same as yours, 733 mhz. You could pull the card, drives, RAM, and have an extra PSU/logic board as a back up. You can "buyitnow" for $150 plus shipping. The link is here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PowerMac-G4-733-mhz-733mhz-Digital-Audio-Gigabit-Ethnet_W0QQ itemZ220236355454QQihZ012QQcategoryZ111418QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I wouldn't suggest trying to operate on your old daughtercard, chances are if one thing blew then many other components failed as well. The time, effort and money would probably end up wasted at the end. I have done many daughtercard upgrades including overclocks and bus changes, and those little tiny resistors sure take a steady hand and a very fine tipped soldering iron. If you don't have any formal training in electronics then just forget about trying to fix it yourself.
My recommendation would be to upgrade to a new daughtercard. I used to have a dual 450 mhz gigabit ethernet, and overclocked it to 500, then 550, and spent a long time trying to get it up to 600 (cooling mods and all sorts of things). Eventually I broke down and spent the $400 on a dual 1.4 Ghz processor upgrade. Best decision I ever made! The upgrade is great and allows me to have the fastest computer possible still capable of running OS 9 and other strictly powerpc applications. If you are set on sticking with your currect DA for a little while longer, then go with an upgrade. A few vendors to consider are Sonnet and OWC. Their sites are here:
http://store1.sonnettech.com/index.php?cPath=22_26
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/accelerators/
As you can see, the cheapest card, a 1.0 ghz from Sonnet is around $170. That is way worth it compared to replacing your old card.
If you have any questions, just let me know.

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installing an Airport card and using that instead of ethernet to connect to the network
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Okay I will try those later when I have possibility.
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I recently (Jan 2012) acquired a MacBook Pro (MBP) running 10.7.4 and an AirPort Express. I also have an old PPC G4 tower (Digital Audio model) running 10.4.11. The OS software on both machines is totally up to date. AirPort Utility on the G4 is 5.4.2

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CEU2

BDAqua,
Thanks for the response.
Apple has used the term "Digital Audio" to identify this machine. System Profiler has the following information:
Machine Name:          Power Mac G4
Machine Model:          PowerMac3,5
CPU Type:          PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Number Of CPUs:          1
CPU Speed:          800 MHz
L2 Cache (per CPU):          256 KB
Memory:          768 MB
Bus Speed:          133 MHz
Boot ROM Version:          4.3.3f2
Serial Number:          XBxxxxxMK9
Sales Order Number:
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