Hyperion Planning : multiple hierarchies for a dimension ?

Hi,
Is it possible into planning 9.2 to manage multiple hierarchies for a dimension ?
I didn't found that in the documentation but I had already listened that there is a workaround to do that.
Regards

Hi,
I would like for the entity dimension used two differents hierarchies (two differents relation Parent/child), one for example used by the accounting service and an other used by the sale service.
The level0 member are the same but parents are differents in these two hierarchies.
It's something possible to do into OFA or EPB and I would like to do the same into Hyperion. planning.
Regards

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Defining multiple hierarchies for single dimension in Administrator?

Hello,
We are attempting to define multiple hierarchies in a single dimension in Administrator. The following two examples are representative use cases for what we're trying to do:
DateDim
----By Calendar Quarter
--------By Calendar Month
------------By Week
----------------By Day
----By Fiscal Quarter
--------By Fiscal Month
----By Calendar Month
--------By Week
Note that "By Calendar Month" can't really be a shared level because we do not want to include "By Day" in the third hierarchy.
ServiceLocationDim
----By Sales Region
--------By State
------------By City
----By State
--------By City
------------By Zip
----------------By Store
Note again that "By State" can't be a shared level because its children differ in the two hierarchies.
The goal is to have multiple drilldown paths supported. If there is a different way to do this in Administrator that does not use hierarchies, that would be acceptable.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Matt Warden
Balanced Insight, Inc.
http://www.balancedinsight.com

Hi,
when defining multiple hierarchies in a dimension, the lowest level needs to be the same for each hierarchy...that's a prerequisite.
But I think you can define them this way...and restrict your 'drill' level on your fact table...as I think you will have a different aggregation level overthere.
So for your dimension you'll set the logical level on the lowest level and in your fact you can play with the logical level depending on to the drill level?
Can that help you?
A.

Multiple hierarchies for one dimension

Hi
I'm building a repository with The administration tool of OBIEE. the data source is an Oracle 10g datawarehouse created with OWB.
There is a geographic dimension with 4 different hierarchies and I want to create the same hierarchies in my repository.is it possible with OBIEE??
NB: The 4 hierarchies share some of the logical columns.
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Multiple Hierarchies in one dimension - comments?

multiple hierarchies
Hi Experts,
I'd like your comments on my implementation of multiple hierarchies in one dimension.- especially if this can be done in a way that:
a) still enables users to choose the hierarchy in a dashboard prompt
b) reduces maintenance to a minimum
The dimension groups ages into several different groups like the example below:
Hierarchy1 Hierarchy2
Age......Groups........Groups.....
0........0-2...........0-5
1........0-2...........0-5
2........0-2...........0-5
3........3-5...........0-5
4........3-5...........0-5
75.......70-75.........70-80
76.......76-80.........70-80
Right now I've implemented this by defining one dimension having one hierarchy:
Total
....Hierarchy
.......Group
.........Age
The underlying logical table is based on several logical table sources (LTS) - one for each hierarchy as shown in the first example(Hierarchy1, Hierarchy2).Every LTS has a fragmentation definition filtering on values on 'hierarchy-level'.
Columns in the logical table (and of course in the underlying LTS) are:
Column               mapped to hierarchy-level
- Hierarchy          Hierarchy
- Hierarchy_id          Hierarchy
- Group          Group
- Group-id          Group
- Age               Age
Advantages:
A answers / dashboard user can select one or more hierarchies by using a dashboard prompt.
Adding a new hierarchy (a new grouping) doesn't need changes in the dimension itself
Disadvantages:
A new grouping needs manual steps to implement
- a new physical table
- a new LTS attached to the logical table (including the fragmentation content)
Thanks for your time and comments
Regards
Andy

multiple hierarchies
Hi Experts,
I'd like your comments on my implementation of multiple hierarchies in one dimension.- especially if this can be done in a way that:
a) still enables users to choose the hierarchy in a dashboard prompt
b) reduces maintenance to a minimum
The dimension groups ages into several different groups like the example below:
Hierarchy1 Hierarchy2
Age......Groups........Groups.....
0........0-2...........0-5
1........0-2...........0-5
2........0-2...........0-5
3........3-5...........0-5
4........3-5...........0-5
75.......70-75.........70-80
76.......76-80.........70-80
Right now I've implemented this by defining one dimension having one hierarchy:
Total
....Hierarchy
.......Group
.........Age
The underlying logical table is based on several logical table sources (LTS) - one for each hierarchy as shown in the first example(Hierarchy1, Hierarchy2).Every LTS has a fragmentation definition filtering on values on 'hierarchy-level'.
Columns in the logical table (and of course in the underlying LTS) are:
Column               mapped to hierarchy-level
- Hierarchy          Hierarchy
- Hierarchy_id          Hierarchy
- Group          Group
- Group-id          Group
- Age               Age
Advantages:
A answers / dashboard user can select one or more hierarchies by using a dashboard prompt.
Adding a new hierarchy (a new grouping) doesn't need changes in the dimension itself
Disadvantages:
A new grouping needs manual steps to implement
- a new physical table
- a new LTS attached to the logical table (including the fragmentation content)
Thanks for your time and comments
Regards
Andy

Multiple Hierarchies from Single Dimension Table in OBIEE-11g?

Is it possible to have Multiple Hierarchies from Single Dimension Table in OBIEE-11g?
Like 1)Year-Qtr-Month-Weeks 2)Year-Month-Days

Hi,
or if your lowest level is the same like
Day->month->year->Total
Day->businessMonth->businessyear->Total
Then yes, it is.
Create the first, then you start to create the second by adding your top(business year) level on the same level as the one you have (year) both under your total.
Then when you would add your second base level, there is a special option for it, something like use other hierarchy level/shared level (sorry can't recall and does not have a connection right now) then you select your existing day level under your businessmonth level.
Hope this helps,
Regards,
D

How to use multiple hierarchies for a single char in single query

Hi,
Is there any way that we can use multiple hierarchies for a single char in single query. I tried and it just allows me to select one hierarchy even if I use hierarchy variable.
I have a requirement where user wants to see information related to a cost center with different cost center groups in different hierarchies (every year has different cost center group hierarchies).
Suppose I want to see information related to a cost center from year 2001-2004.in these four year cost center may have been associated to different groups depending upon that year hierarchy. How can I do that?
Thanks
Jona

Nope. Now way to do this.
There is always just one hierarchy assigned to a characteristic. And even if the hierarchy was time dependent, it only reads it for one key date and not according to transaction data.
Regards,
Beat

How to create Hierarchies for a Dimension?

Hi,
How to create Hierarchies for a Dimension in Multidimensional Models? Could you please suggest some document provides step by step instructions to create Multidimensional Model?
Thanks
M Thiyagarajan

Hi M Thiyagarajan,
connect dimension to first level and after that connect that level to another one and so on. For level - each additional outgoing connection means additional hierarchy.
Philip

Query selected levels of multiple hierarchies of one dimension

Hi to all.
I have created through AWM 11 a customer dimension with two hierarchies as follows.
SLM_HIER: All Customers -> Salesman -> Customer
GEO_HIER: All Customers -> State -> City -> Customer
I have also created a SALES_CUBE (measures: QUANTITY, VALUE, aggregation: SUM) that is dimensioned with Customer dim.
I'm using OBIEE to query the OLAP engine (through the relational views that AWM created automatically). I have followed the OTN OBE tutorials.
I would like to have the following query on the cube:
Give me QUANTITY where SALESMAN=S1 and CITY in ('Athens','Rome').
Is it possible to have such a query? As far as I understand there are no ready aggregated data for selected levels of both hierarchies.
Thank you very much.
Chris

I think OBIEE would also give you your answer from OLAP.
This query has filters defined from both the hierarchies and hence OBIEE would (should) automatically service this query from the highest common level b/w the hierarchies (in this case: base/leaf level - Customer). As a result of this, if CUST is your Customer dimension, OBIEE (at least, the older style of obiee modeling with olap) would introduce the security filter CUST_LEVEL = 'Customer'. Granularity of the resultset returned would be per individual Customer. 1 record per Customer satisfying the criteria SALESMAN='S1' and CITY in ('Athens','Rome').
Ideally you should include the Cust Id, Quantity columns in your obiee answers report and use an internal answers object/view like a Pivot View to hide Customer details column and get a localized aggregation performed over the resultset returned from OLAP to get the consolidated Quantity. Answers table has data at Customer level, Answers Pivot can show the required result.
Note1: The Cube cannot have this result pre-calculated since its a contradictory combination of filters across hierarchies. Level specific aggregate values calculated (or pre-calculated) in the cube for Salesman level (h1) would contain Customers from all cities (h2) and similarly City level (h2) Aggregates would contain Customers of all Salesmen (h1).
Note2: I believe OBIEE modeling with OLAP suffers from some issues relating to multiple hierarchies (e.g: if you have filter from non-default hierarchy CITY in ('Athens','Rome') alone, i think it would still fetch the results from lowest common level Customer instead of from City level directly).
HTH
Shankar

Multiple hierarchies in a dimension

Hi,
I have created a time dimension with several heirarchies using OWB 9.2. I want to have several cubes attached to this dimension, but I want each cube to only have access to a specific hierarchy, i.e. not all the hierarchies.
I cannot see a method within OWB and I am not aware of any specific DML command.
Does anyone know how this can be achieved?
Thanks.

This is an interesting issue. In OLAP terms a dimension key must and can only be represented by one value. That value will never change unless new data is loaded. So to implement the hierarchies you have listed:
Top/Group/Division/Product
Top/Division/Product/Group
Top/Product/Division/Group
you will need separate and unique keys at each level for each hierarchy, except for 'Top' which can be shared across all the hierarchies and whose value is constant across all levels and hierarchies. The examples you list above do not really make sense as Product Groups cannot roll up to Products. Typically you might do something like this:
Standard Time
Year
Quarter
Month
Week
Day
Fiscal Time
Fiscal Year
Fiscal Quarter
Month
Week
Day
So in this case day/week/month rollup into a new level called fiscal quarter. Alternatively you could have a retail calendar
Year
Month
Week Number
Day
Where week number is between 1-53, and weeks roll-up to months. Now in this case the level Months could be implemented as month number (1-12) or as Jan-Dec. Using Jan-Dec it could be possible for the dimension keys to contain different results compared to the standard time hierarchy keys. At this point the hierarchy would break down and the wrong results would be generated. So the only solution would be to implement a new level for both Month and also year as this could also potentially generate different aggregated results:
Retail Year
Month Number
Week Number
Day
So you need to be very careful about defining and sharing levels across different hierarchies.
Hopefully, that makes sense?
Business Intelligence Beans Product Management Team
Oracle Corporation

Can Multiple Hierarchies for Entity fits into Consolidation? Please respond

Hello Gurus,
Here is a strange requirement from our Buisness Users. We are implementing BPC 7.5 NW primarily for Consolidation.
High Level Managerial Team wants Consolidated Statement by Operational G/L Account (Have only 1500 GL Accounts hence requested to go for Op GL) by Entity (Company Code).
But now they want to compare this Consolidated Actuals with Budget and hence they changed the scope and were requesting to bring in Consolidated Fin Statements by Enity, Account, Profit Center, Cost Center, Functional Area and Segment.
Question 1:
Is this possible to have all of these Dimensions in One Main Application? By the way they are doing Managerial Consolidation.
Question 2:
As Eliminatiosn will be done on Entities, are these Eliminated Results reflects on all other Dimensions like say Cost Center, Functional Area, Profit Center and Segment. Based on my knowledge I have told them they can only see these Dimesions in Reports but dont expect to have the Eliminations done on any of these add on Entities.
They are fine with that but they wish to see Eliminated Results to be reflected by Segment also. Which in other words they are wishing to see Elimnations of Legla Entites (Company Codes) at two different Roll Ups One at Consolidation Group Level and One at Segment Level
Is this a possible scenario or not?
From my understanding that the Entity Structure is maintained with 2 Parent H1 Propetrties. If it is possible can Dynamic Hierarchies will help us in any way?
Kindy help us with quickest possible solution.
Thanks,
BIBPC

Based on my experience of other consolidation SAP modules, especially SEM-BCS and ECCS, for such requirements you would need to defined what we called "consolidation matrix", that is to say create a structure where you need to combine the Entity dimension and the other core dimension (Segment or Profit Center for example). The purpose is that the system would then include both dimensions in the consolidation calculations. Example : the inter-unit eliminations should have to be performed between entities and Segments. So in other words, you would need two dimensions with the type "Entity".
But when you read the official SAP help, it's said that a BPC application can only have one dimension of type "Entity"...
There might be a workaround such as creating another application where you perform you management consolidation. That's for example how they did in the SAP starter kit.

Multiple hierarchies for 0ORGUNIT ?

We currently extract the hierarchy ORGEH from SAP R/3 (HR). A new organizational structure is now being created in R/3 which needs to be extracted in to BW (v3.5). However, with the mixture of users we have, some still want to use the old structure while others want to use the new structure. This poses a few questions:
1) Can you have more than one hierarchy associated with 0ORGUNIT? I assume you can.
2) For any reports that use the old hierarchy but now need the new hierarchy, is it a case of changing the hierarchy in the query or is it more complicated than that?
3) For some existing reports, there is a requirement to report historical data but this would mean using both hierarchies. Is this possible and if so how?
4) Could the change in hierarchy structure mean changes are required to roles & authorisations? How can we identify if changes are needed or not?
Any advice will be welcome.

You can't have both hierarchies of a single infoobject displayed on a non structured report at the same time (i.e. in cases where you aren't using a structure and just drilling in 0ORGUNIT).
You can however, setup a variable so that as part of the report parameters, the user selects the hierarchy for viewing meaning they can view the data in the old hierarchy and then click refresh/change variables, select the old hierarchy and compare.
Alternatively, you will need to have a fixed structured report. In such a case, you can have a selection within the report that displays the same KF against each of the hierarchy. In such cases, you are usually only displaying a single node of the hierarchy at a time which is less flexible.
e.g.
HIER1 OTHER CHARS KF1
HIER2 OTHER CHARS KF1

Planning multiple machines for one planned order

Hi,
presently, we have 30 machines in single operation, business wants to plan and confirm the production order with individual machines ( Workcenter ), we have tried individual workcenter creation and make the routing with 30 machines and planner has be determine the machines while converting the production order fron planned order , but it is having problem , if we select the same workcenter in operation like for exmple we want carried out the production on workcenter 10,15,16, 20 respectively. but in actual if business want to confirm the operation 30 before operation 20, again it is problem in confirmation even we permit to user to allow the operation,
please suggestion me to define this scenario in discrete MFG.

Hi Patel,
If you want to have confirmations in sequence then in OPK4 for the combination of plant and order type under General Valid Settings - Under Operation sequence maintain" Error when operation sequence is not adhered to". With this settings if user tries to confirm operation 0030 before operation 0020 is confirmed system will throw error message.
In case you have planned on X work center, but actual producion happened on Y work center, then there is also option available during confirmation in CO11N to change the workcenter as Y through changing the Confirmation profile.Go To T.code OPK0 and in Area Selection select 0410 Personnel :Incl Work center , Wage Group as a one of the selected area
Please let me know if anything is required.
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Dimension Design - Single Dimension with Multiple Hierarchies

Morning,
the purpose of this discussion is to understand how we should design a specific dimension with 3 levels and multiple hierarchies for optimal performance.
We have an institution dimension with the following characteristics:
Characteristics
Dimension: Institution
Levels:
1. Total Bank (TB) Level
2. Peer Group (PG) Level
3. Institution Level
Hierarchies:
1. Some of the hierarchies have 3 levels and others have only 2 levels (Skip Level)
2. ALL the hierarchies have a TB level and an Institution level
3. None of the hierarchies have the same leafs
4. Some of the hierarchies leafs can overlap
Design:
We are considering two approaches for the institution dimension levels:
a)
Levels:
Hierarchy 1 TB Level
Hierarchy 1 PG Level
Hierarchy 1 Inst Level
Hierarchy 2 TB Level
Hierarchy 2 Inst Level
Hierarchy 3 TB Level
Hierarchy 3 Inst Level
Note:
This approach is working and the resulting dimension and cubes are used by OBIEE, but some of the OBIEE analysis takes a long time (more than a minute) to return the results.
At this point, we are not sure whether this approach will result in an optimal design from a performance perspective and are looking at restructuring the dimension to represent only the three conceptual levels as indicated below.
b)
Levels:
1. Total Bank (TB) Level
2. Peer Group (PG) Level
3. Institution Level
The rest of the dimension i.e. hierarchies, attributes and mappings are defined in the same way.
The cube associated with this dimension have approximately 80 million records.
Please advise on any best practices or design considerations that we need to take into account.
Thanks

No, it is not possible to have multiple hiearchies in a PC logical dimension.
The concept of the Parent-Child (PC) hierarchy is completely different from the level-based hierarchy. Specifically the PC hierarchy expects a predefined / architected table with corresponding PC column/value structuring with or without attributes.
Short story even shorter it is not possible.
Longer...
In the RPD the BMM actually prevents you from adding a new logical level, child level, or parent level when you have selected that the logical dimension be a parent child logical dimension with Parent-Child hierarchy.
On another note...
Have you tried architecting/building your PC source table so that it represents the roll-up and bottom child-levels like you are seeking? That is, that same member in the child column more than once having a separate parent value. That should be doable.
That was a great question, please award points if this answered your question or it was helpful.
Cheers,
Christian
http://www.artofbi.com

How does Disco handle multiple hierarchies in dimension from OWB?

Hi,
I have a ROLAP cube developed with OWB. All the dimensions have only one hierarchy at the moment. I derive the EUL from this cube.
One of the dimensions now need another hierarchy. Does anyone know how Discoverer handles multiple hierarchies in a dimension? How would you be able to choose which hierachy to use in a Disco worksheet? Can you actually use multiple hierarchies or only the hierachy set as the default?
Thanks

Hi,
Yes, you can set up multiple hierarchies in Discoverer for the same EUL items. When you drill down you have the option to select which hierarchy you use.
Rod West

Hyperion Planning Dimension building techniques

Hi
I am currently working on Hyperion Planning 11.1.2.1.
I am interested to know about dimension building in planning.
1. What dimension building techniques available for Hyperion Planning 11 other than DRM, FDM and manual techniques?
2. I have read in a blog that Outline load Utility doesnot work with Hyperion 11x for dimesion building and "Hyperion Dimesion Library " is available in its place. Is it true ?
But we are using Outline load utility for loading exchange rates in our 11 version application.
3. I have worked on ODI 10g and 11g with Hyperion 9x
Is Hyperion planning 11x compatible in building dimensions using ODI from scratch and also adding members to existing hierarchy as per changing business?
Thank you !!

methods - outlineload utility, ODI, Interface Tables, ADS file.
outlineload utility is for classic applications only for loading metadata.
yes ODI is compatible.
Cheers
John
http://john-goodwin.blogspot.com/

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