I don't understand DNG Converter and legacy versions of Camera Raw
I would like some help understanding what happens when you use DNG converter and open the resulting file in an old version of Camera Raw or Lightroom.
I think I understand that with Camera Raw or Lightroom use two camera profiles for every supported camera. And that DNG also uses camera specific profiles.
But I don't understand what happens when you open a DNG Converter produced file (from a camera not supported in previous versions of Camera Raw or Lightroom) in an old version of Camera Raw or Lightroom. Is the camera specific profile being used to extrapolate colour information?
You are damned right.
I bought a Nikon D700, then Lightroom, then a book on Ligthroom, then a printer Canon Pro9500.
The problems I have, just to achieve a good print are insane.
Today, after reading that it's necessary to install a camera profile, I downloaded these profiles.
But which one fits my D700? D2X mode 1, D2x mode2 or mode3?
It's so frustrating.
I spent a fortune on it but I'm not able to get decent prints.
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DNG CONVERTER:Which version of Camera Raw should I choose?
What I need to uinderstand, is what are the real benefits of converting RAW files into DNG for the newest version of Camera Raw( not compatible with older versions)? ( dng CONVERTER/ PREFFERENCES)
If I convert a RAW file for use in older versions of Camera Raw, the created DNG file will also be compatible with the newer versions of Camera Raw. But if I convert the RAW file into a DNG for the latest version of Camera Raw, the DNG file will not be compatible with older versions of Camera Raw.
Therefore, can somebody explain me the reason to convert Raw files into the latest version of Camera Raw? ( Enhanced metadata? ... what?)
THANKSJOSE LUIS BLANCO wrote:
1. Im building my personal image database in an external HDD, based on DNG files.
2. DVDs are only for original Backup purpose. Not to manage my database/image bank
I personally feel it's a bad idea to use DVDs or any other optical media for long-term storage purposes. They are fine for short term storage or for transferring a small number of files between systems. LR requires that image files be kept in the same folder and subfolder locations, which is why you should never move files or folders outside of LR. It will be very difficult to restore the raw files to the exact same folder hierarchy as the DNGs with them stored on multiple DVDs.
JOSE LUIS BLANCO wrote:
3. As a cheap security and diversified tool to keep my original raw files, DVDs are ok. Having all my backup in an external HDD I dont like it that way.Preffer to have my images spread in 50 DVDs rather than only one external HDD.
I don´t like to put all the eggs on the same basket. Diverisifcation is a wise idea.
You can place the raw files on a separate external HDD so "all your eggs" aren't in one basket. Just make sure you retain the same folder and subfolder orginization as used on the primary DNG external HDD.
Are you also backing up your DNG files and LR catalog(s) to a 2nd separate backup drive? This is advisable for backup purposes if you want to be able to restore the catalog(s) and DNG files should your primary external HDD fail. -
DNG Converter-does it automatically recognize camera files?
If I have multiple Sony cameras, all with .ARW extension, does DNG converter automatically recognize the different cameras, or do i have to manually segregate from the different cameras and convert only one camera's files at a time?
One more question: why doesn't DNG converter have its own community?The exact camera model is stored in the Raw file headers and will be automatically detected. DNG converter is the same as Camera Raw, so any questions can be directed there.
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Adobe Bridge CS6 (Mac) won't open .arw files from my Sony RX100. I was told to update Camera Raw to at least 7.2. I tried to download this but got a DNG Converter instead. Where is Camera Raw? (it does not show up in a search of my hard drive. There is a folder of camera profiles but no extension or plug-in with this name). How do I find out what version I have already? How do I get the correct version? . . . OR . . . is it the case that Bridge will never open Sony raw files directly and I will have to do a separate conversion process every time I want to use a raw file??. Can someone explain this?
Thanks.A Good samaritan answered this for me on another forum
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Lightroom, dng converter and D750! Help!
I have recently purchased a d750 and i then realised i couldn't use raw in lightroom I have read many articles and tried my best to fix this issue and I'm at my wits end!
I use lightroom 5 and have a macbook pro, i recently downloaded the dng converter 8.7 and when i try to import an image is won't let me select it at all to convert i don't know what I'm doing wrong but i need this fixed ASAP as i have photo shoots coming up!After installing the DNG Converter you can run/open it and use it to convert a FOLDER of raw (NEF) images to DNGs and can import those DNGs into an older LR.
There are usually one or two things that cause issues for people who are new to the DNG Converter and/or have a new Nikon camera:
1) The DNG Converter works on a FOLDER not an individually-specified image, so when you are telling it where the folder it, you should single-click on the folder to select it, not double-click to open the folder. Every other piece of software, including ACR, will allow selecting a folder by opening it but the DNGC won’t, you have to just single-click to highlight the folder name.
2) If you have touched (transferred, viewed) your new Nikon camera images with any older Nikon software (Nikon Transfer, View NX), like came with your previous camera, then the images are corrupted by using that obsolete software so Adobe says they are an invalid format. Try copying the NEFs with your OS tools, like Finder or Explorer, and then see if they were in the DNG Converter. If it is important to uncorrupt the few images you’ve taken, then you can use a utility from here:
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I bought a canon EOS Rebel T5i. It came with photoshop elements 11. PS won't open my C2 raw files and says my camera isn't supported by the software I have downloaded 7.4 dng converter and I still can't open the files. What do I need to do?
You need camera raw 8.4 for your camera, if it’s Digital Rebel T5 EOS 1200D EOS Kiss X70. It is not compatible with PSE11; so it’s a bit odd if that software was bundled with the camera except that it will work with jpegs. I suggest you download and install the free Adobe DNG converter to convert your CR2 files to the Adobe universal Raw format and the DNG files will editable in PSE11(keep your originals as backups and for use in the camera manufactures software)
Mac download (.dmg file) click here DNG Converter 8.4
You can convert a whole folder of raw images in one click. See this quick video tutorial:
You Tube click here for DNG Converter tutorial -
CS4 will not open NEF files. I installed DNG converter and it did not help.
CS4 will not open NEF files. I installed DNG converter and it did not help. Also, I tried to just "update" photoshop and it did not work. It is a new camera (Nikon 1).
Yes, you need CS6. DNG Converter is just a standalone tool to convert RAW to DNG files which then may be possible to open in older versions of Adobe tools.
Mylenium -
I replaced a 6 year old Sandisk USB 2.0 compact flash card reader with a new Kingston USB 3.0 reader. Was hoping to get faster transfer rates using the Adobe DNG converter to xfer and rename directly from the compact flash card to hard disk.
Didn't happen. The conversion/xfer times are identical. But if I just copy files from the compact flash card readers to hard disk using Windows Explorer drag-and-drop, the USB 3.0 unit is about twice as fast.
Using a random batch of 40 raw files, it takes the DNG Converter 46 seconds to complete the job using either card reader. Using Windows Explorer to just copy, the USB 3.0 unit does it in 14 seconds while the USB 2.0 unit does it in 28 seconds. So USB 3.0 is twice as fast.
I didn't expect the DNG Converter to be twice as fast. Part of its job is conversion and part is I/O. I would guess 60% to 70% for conversion, leaving 30% to 40% for I/O. So I thought a 50% reduction of the I/O time would be reasonable.
What am I missing in this logic?Thanks for the reply, Noel.
But strange, I never thought of using ACR to do the DNG conversion, so I tried it. Updated ACR to the curent 6.5 version first. My timing results were the same as using the DNG converter.
Again, a random batch of 40 raw files read from a compact flash card on a USB 3.0 card reader. A total of about 388mb. The DNG converter does the batch in 47 seconds, and ACR does it in 48 seconds. Identical times given the degree of error in my punching a stop watch.
If I copy the raw files to hard disk first and then use either ACR or the DNG converter to convert (HDD to HDD) I get the same 47-48 seconds.
So I'm curious why my ACR times are the same as DNG converter while you say ACR is twice as fast on your system. For what it's worth, my system is Windows 7, 8GB memory, on an intel I5 quad core processor.
The DNG files created by ACR are all about 50 to 55kb larger than the DNG files created by the DNG converter. But I noticed looking at the metadata in Bridge than the DNG files created by ACR have Camera Raw data in the EXIF, while the same files created by the DNG converter do not. I imagine that explains the few extra bytes. But loading the two files into Photoshop and doing a "difference" blend mode proves they are identical.
In any case, I've learned that USB 3.0 gives no advantage over USB 2.0 in this application. -
Keep .dng "original" AND adjusted version... or just revert to CR defaults for "original" condition?
As with everyone, my file space requirements are growing rapidly. So, for my workflow, from my camera I'm planning to keep the .jpg and .cr2 (Canon) converted to .dng as my "original" files (then dump the .cr2). I'll then take the .dng into camera raw and create a .psd to work on. That .psd would become the finished product which I'll keep that along w/a .tiff and .jpg version of it. (Total of 5 files)
At first I was going to keep both the original .dng AND the .dng after adjustment in Camera Raw (save w/[DONE] hosted in Bridge) - but in the interest of saving some space I thought I could instead save only the adjusted .dng.
That way I'd have saved my adjustments, but if I ever wanted to "start over," or try another processing round for the file, I could just make a copy of the adjusted .dng and reset everything to 'default' in Camera Raw so that the file would be (I think...) just as it was right after the .cr2 -> .dng conversion.
Is there any major/critical flaw to this plan? I don't want to start to do this and then find out 1,000 images later that I overlooked something I shouldn't have.Steep Ascent wrote:
Is there any major/critical flaw to this plan? I don't want to start to do this and then find out 1,000 images later that I overlooked something I shouldn't have.
Well, you do know that Camera Raw has the ability to store Snapshots, right? So, when you get finished with an image you can save a snapshot so you can keep a record of your image adjustments. You could then also do a snapshot of the Camera Raw "Defaults" will in essence be whatever you have set as the default for your camera...
But no, as long as you are sure you'll _NEVER_ need to use the camera makers raw processing software, saving out a DNG with your snapshots should not produce a technical issue down the road...
With the possible exception of the fact this stuff keeps getting better and better so while your PSD might be state of the art given today's processing, the next version of Camera Raw may be capable of producing better results. You are under no obligation to reprocess your images once you are done with them, but nice to know you can if you want to... -
The latest Premier Pro CC 2014 update forced me to convert and create version of my project while guaranteeing that the project would not be altered; however, the timelines/sequences are not the up to date versions I had. I saved different version of this project for various purposes, but they were all named differently(i.e joe and mary wedding, joe and mary wedding 2, joe and mary wedding 3, joe and mary wedding 3.1). I do not know if they just pulled the timelines from the earliest version, eradicated the data entirely, or something else.
Since the program prompts me to create and save a new version for the updated premier, I still have the previous projects, but cannot open them. I imagine they are unchanged, but cannot be sure.
Thoughts? Is it possible to uninstall an update re-install it later?
Please advise.
Thank you.
BrianAlso...
Add to right click menu of timelines an entry for "go to next keyframe" and "go to last keyframe" a la After Effects, we should also be able to assign a kb shortcut to this.
There are buttons on either side of the create keyframe button to advance forward or backward in the effects control panel or timeline.
You can also advance forward or backward in the effects control window by holding shift while dragging the playhead.
Allow copy/paste of selection of audio/video effects, not just one at a time. Sure we can copy/paste attributes but since we can also copy/paste effects it would only make sense to allow to copy/paste a selection of effects.
I guess I don't get this one. If I have 5 effects on a clip, I can simply command-click on the ones I want to copy over to the other clip. -
i have a canon 70d and just purchased elements 12. It will not open a raw file for me. I have been advised to download the latest version of camera raw, i have done this and it still says my camera is not supported. I really need to open my raw files. Can anybody help me.
You'll need to update to at least ACR 8.2 for the 70D to be recognized. The normal way to update PSE12 to the latest CR is to use Help / Updates in the Editor which should update to ACR 8.5.
According to Adobe's website PSE12 shipped with ACR 8.1 and you say it says yours is reported as ACR 8.0.
Are you using PSE 11 and not 12? PSE 11's maximum ACR version is 8.0. -
I have Photoshop Elements 12 for both PC and Mac (I use both). I have a new camera, Nikon D810. I downloaded the latest version of Camera Raw, 8.8. My D810 is listed as a supported camera model. However, when I try to open a raw photo in Photoshop Elements, I keep getting the message "Could not complete your request because the file appears to be from a camera model which is not supported by the installed version of Camera Raw. I have tried reinstalling Camera Raw many times, and have tried to open many different raw files in Elements, and still get the same error message. Please help.
How did you try to install ACR 8.8. The only way I know of that works with Elements is to use the Updates Choice on the Help menu.
There are two charts supplied by Adobe that explain your RAW dilemma. This one tells you what your camera needs: http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html This one tells you what version of software you need: http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html
In your case, the Nikon D810 needs Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) 8.6 or Lightroom 5.6. (Congratulations on buying a new camera!)
To get to that level with Photoshop Elements, you will need to replace your Photoshop Elements 12 with version 13. Adobe caps ACR updates on version 12 at 8.5.
The most convenient way to get around it without spending any money is to use the FREE from Adobe DNG Converter. Download and install it from here for FREE: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=5855&fileID=5890 Once it is installed you can convert your D810 raw files to an Adobe RAW version with the .DNG file extension that most, if not all, versions of the various Adobe software programs can use. That includes old versions of Photoshop, Elements and Lightroom. DNG converter can be used as the tool to move your files from your memory card to your computer, is efficient, will convert in batches and is completely lossless. There is no risk of any image quality degradation or RAW functionality. -
just got a Nikon D610 and CS5 for Mac can't open the images -- message says installed version of camera raw doesn't support the camera. Downloaded the Raw 6.2 update for Mac, but installation failed. Now what?
The D610 didn't get out-of-the-box RAW support until Photoshop CC.
You can either upgrade to CC or use the DNG Converter to convert and open your DNGs in CS5. -
I needed to update my Photoshop 5 ability to read Raw files from a more current camera. I tried to update my software but it failed I do have the serial number for the master collection, so I do not understand why it won't download. HELP?
michaelstorm wrote:
from a more current camera.
Which camera exactly?
Supported cameras are listed here:
Camera Raw plug-in | Supported cameras
Which versions of Camera Raw are compatible with which versions of Adobe applications are listed here
Camera Raw-compatible Adobe applications
CS5 is only compatible with Camera Raw up to version 6.7. If you need a later version of Camera Raw for your camera then you must either upgrade to CS6 or CC or use the free DNG converter
Camera raw, DNG | Adobe Photoshop CC. -
HELP! How do I un-install and then RE-install Camera Raw 5.7 on my Mac?
My CS4 would no longer open my RAW files (Canon 5D Mark II) and I was told (on this forum) that I needed to update my camera raw to 5.7. So I downloaded 5.7 but could not figure out HOW to get it installed in the proper place. After trying but not succeeding, my CS4 now tells me there is NO camera raw installed, not even the old one I was running! So I tried to RE-install 5.7 but I get the message that it's already installed. So it's SOMEWHERE on my computer, but I don't know where. It's not in photoshop or where is should be, but I can't try to install it again because my computer tells me it's already installed. How do I remove it from my computer so that I can try again? OR MAYBE BETTER YET, HOW DO I FIND IT AND GET IT INTO THE PROPER PLACE?
Thanks for your reply.
I'm using version 10.9.4
I found the previous 5.7 plug in, trashed it, and started over again.Then I, once again, downloaded Camera Raw version 5.7, and then did the following:
I double clicked on the downloaded Camera_Raw_5.7 dmg and then double clicked on the cameraprofiles.mpkg
Then I installed the camera raw.plugin by going to (Macintosh hard drive) /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Plug-Ins/CS4/File Formats, which was empty (somehow my previous version of Camera Raw was already gone).
Then dragged the new camera raw plugin from the dmg to the same folder.
I restarted my computer and there STILL is no Camera RAW in my Photoshop!! Good grief! Any more suggestions? Maybe you and I need to screen-share....
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