Identity Server using external LDAP

anyone have idea whether ID Server can use external an LDAP server for authentication, like the Policy Server in Portal Server 3 ?
Wilson.

You typically need to use our JNDI store. We strongly recommend this for
performance reasons..
You can use the JNDI To LDAP bridge which is available from the sun web
site.
Michael Girdley
BEA Systems Inc
"Jack Archer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
I'm trying to find out if it is possible to re-direct JNDI calls to the WL
server to an external LDAP server. I know you can install an external LDAP
server for security purposes, but I would like to use an external LDAP
server to handle all JNDI lookups (like for JNDI EJB name location, etc.).
Is this possible?

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