Image Capture & ICC profiles

Is it possible to use Image Capture with my scanner and have it embed something other than the sRGB colour profile when scanning colour photographs? I'd like it to embed AdobeRGB instead. In most other respects I prefer it for scanning photos to Epson Scan and VueScan.

Hi G-Man,
It's probably something in the Preferences folder; Users/herusername/Library/Preferences. Start by removing com.apple.ImageCaptureApp.plist and trying again. If that doesn't do it drag the entire Preference folder to the desktop, log out and back in. Launch it again and if it works you can either reset preferences for all System Preferences and apps or drag the preferences files a group at a time back to the new Preference folder in Library and test Image Capture each time. That way you can narrow it down to the one offending preference file.
John

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A way to activate ICC profiles for all applied images

Hi there!
I think there should be an option in InDesign to activate the ICC profiles for all the applied images.
For those who work with PDF/X-4 and a Workflow-based Color Management, it's very important to take the images' profiles into account.
I tried and tried, but could not find a way to make it all at once in InDesign.
Today I have to change the color settings so the INDD's profiles won't match the Color Settings' one, and then open the INDD choosing "Activate All Profiles" on the "Profile mismatch" window.
It could have an option to choose to activate only the CMYK or RGB profiles and even choose what profiles to activate or not.
Who would agree with me?
Tiago Cheregati

First of all thanks for your help, Dov.
I may be wrong, but from the tests I made, the image's ICC profile is honored only if the InDesign Color Settings CMYK field is set to "Preserve Embedded Profiles".
If, at the moment that you place it, Color Settings are set to "Preserve Numbers (Ignore linked profiles), InDesign will "forget" the ICC, and won't send it to the PDF/X-4 even if you ask him to.
Now, I don't remember which is the default option for InDesign's Color Settings, but we receive a lot of .indd files (most of them books) whose images are profile-ignored. And then either we change it one-by-one or we assing another profile for the .indd, save, close, open it again and ask him to "re-enable" the profiles in the Profile Mismatch window. As I mentioned above.
So, in response to your question, I wanted InDesign to offer live control to these options, so I can send to the PDF what I really wanted in an easier way.
Again, I may be standing on a wrong supposition.
Of course our heads together will think better than one.
Best wishes,
Tiago Cheregati

PS CS5 Image Display Differs From Used ICC Profile In Win 7

Hi,
on my Windows 7 Ultimate x64 machine, I just calibrated my Dell SP2309W monitor using an i1DisplayPro and basICColor 5, creating a ICC v2 profile (I am aware of the problems under Windows with ICC v4 profiles).
It created the ICC profile and applied it to be used by Windows. I double checked under COLOR MANAGEMENT that the new ICC profile is being used. Although I can see that the new ICC is being used (desktop appearance changes), there are a few issues I am experiencing:
(1.) Windows Photo Viewer
The thumbnails in Windpows Explorer look fine (they DO use the new ICC profile), when I double click a jpeg and open the image it DOES NOT use the new ICC profile. When I click the PLAY SLIDESHOW button (starting the slideshow) in the opened image in Windows Photo Viewer, the images DO use the new ICC profile.
(2.) Internet Browsers
All current internet browser (Firefox, IE, Safari and Chrome) DO use the new ICC profile and display the image correctly.
(3.) Photoshop CS 5
When I open the same image - that Windows Photo Viewer does not correctly displays (according to the new ICC profile) - in Photoshop CS5, I get the same image display that Windows Photo Viewer gives me (when not thumbnail or not in slideshow mode) - it appears to be the sRGB display.
My color settings in PS CS5 are: North America General Purpose 2 > sRGB IEC 61966-2.1.
When I go to View > Proof Setup > Monitor RGB I get the image display using the new ICC profile.
Why does the image look different in PS than my calibrated monitor should output ?
I was under the impression (please correct me if I am wrong), that the sole purpose for calibrating my monitor was to get a uniform display across (ICC aware) applications. Even when one applies different color spaces to a document in PS, I thought the output on my calibrated screen done by the graphic card should always be according to my calibration and the settings in the ICC profile being used.
What Am I doing wrong or what am I misunderstanding ?
Any help or input is appreciated !
Thanks.
- M

Hello,
A note on monitor calibration: calibrating your monitor will not guarentee that every application will display color correctly, it's more of a step along the pipeline, and for the preview part of a color workflow it's the last step. Here's how color translation follows for an ICC workflow when previewing to a monitor:
Image Color Numbers > Document Tag or Workspace Profile > Monitor Profile
For non-color managed applications, if the original document is or isn't tagged with a color profile it will be translated directly to the monitor profile anyway. This is the equivalent in Photoshop of selecting "Monitor" in soft proofing. Selecting monitor in softproofing will bypass the tagged or workspace profile to translate colors directly through the monitor profile.
For most automatic color managed applications (like Firefox), the image will be translated through the tagged profile and then sent through the monitor profile. If the image is untagged or the profile is unrecognized, the colors get sent directly to the monitor profile.
For Photoshop, a tagged document will have its profile respected and then sent to the monitor. An untagged document will be assigned the workspace profile, which acts like a temporary document profile, and then gets sent to the monitor. This is often why users will notice Photoshop behaves differently from other applications. It's usually a case of the workspace coming into play. By default the workspace profile is set to sRGB. You can change this in Edit > Color Settings.
The purpose of the workspace is originally for printing workflows, as a way of keeping consistant color translations when dealing with both tagged and untagged documents. For web output workflows it can be useful for viewing everything through sRGB, which is typical of the average monitor output (not so with newer wide-gamut monitors, another source of confusion...) combined with the fact that originally most web browsers were not color managed. Hence viewing everything through sRGB is pretty close to what most monitors see and what untagged/unmanaged docs will look like.
Monitor calibration is useful only because it brings your monitor output to a "known state". In traditional workflows the monitor was always a middle-man, a preview device which was useful for getting an idea of what the printed output would look like before you print it. Since print colorspaces are often smaller than display spaces, it's feasible and useful to narrow down the monitor/display space and calibrate it to a known state, so that even if it doesn't totally match the print, you'll get used to its differences/limitations and they'll be consistent so long as the calibration is maintained.
For web output, your final output is often another user's computer monitor, which can have any form of behavior (most standard monitors are pretty close to sRGB, or use sRGB as an operating system workspace (default monitor profile). Wide gamuts behave differently, but I'm not sure if there's a particular ICC space that they closely match, or if different wide-gamuts are even that close to each other in their display color spaces.
Hope this helps!

ICC profile being stripped when pushing image to PS with PS Touch

Hi guys, we are having some problems keeping the icc profile intact of the image files we are pushing from tablet to PS. They always appear in PS as untagged. This is a probelm for users who have highly claibbrated systems as the images appear very, very weird. Any ideas how to keep the profile intact?
Cheers,
Philip

The most recent version I've seen was pretty clear in the documentation:
"ICC profile, not implemented in this version of Photoshop"
So the image you send needs to be sRGB
Sandy

ICC Profile vs Photoshop vs Image

Hi guys,
First of all, please forgive my poor english.
I have as usual been through all the forum-reading, answer-searching stuff.
I've been having a problem with Photoshop color management since my last Windows upgrade to 7.
Colors just won't display the same in Photoshop and outside Photoshop.
I understand this has something to do with ICC profiles and applications being color managed or not.
I just downloaded an ICC profile supposedly corresponding to my monitor (there : mine is the Dell E228WFPc, but their icc is for the E228WFP http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-42/-telecharger-un-profil-calibre-pour-son-ecran-dell- 24.html I decided to try it anyway, and the colors look good...).
I don't know what makes photos not look the same inside of Photoshop. It's the case for all photographs, including those that I postworked before my reinstallation of Windows.
What would you suggest ?
Thanks in advance for your answers.

Color-management is simply the process of interpreting the colors in an image per a given document color profile, then preparing them for proper display on a device using a given device color profile. Profiles describe how color values are interpreted into real colors that we see.
Some of the first things to keep in mind with color-management are these:
Not all applications are color-managed. Many do not look at your monitor profile, and almost as many don't even look at your document profile.
Given the above, colors can be expected to look different in images displayed by applications that ARE color-managed vs. those that ARE NOT.
So in your case Photoshop, which is fully color-managed, is using both your image profile and your monitor-specific profile (and assuming they're accurate) to determine how to display colors on your monitor. This is NOT being done AT ALL in some apps, and only HALF being done in others (e.g., IE9 interprets the document profile but assumes your monitor is sRGB IEC61966-2.1).
You're seeing the differences.
Now, what's not a given is that your color profiles are accurately representing the color spaces of your document or display monitor. You may have prepared your document properly using a particular color profile, but what steps have you taken to ensure your monitor color profile accurately matches your monitor? That it's "the one" provided by the manufacturer may seem to be enough, but you don't really know what on-monitor settings or video card or cabling the manufaturer used to profile it, nor did they profile your particular copy. In short, factory monitor profiles are notoriously inaccurate.
You can choose to go in one of three directions:
1. Assume your factory monitor profile is accurate enough and just keep everything as it is.
2. Purchase a profiling device, follow their process for calibrating / profiling your display, and be sure your profile is accurate.
3. Assume your factory monitor profile is INACCURATE, replace it with the standard default sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile, and work to set your monitor controls and video card curves manually to make colors displayed with the sRGB profile and this monitor as accurate as possible.
The 3rd scenario actually has some advantages if you can accomplish it.
-Noel

Converting image data to given ICC Profile?

I am considering using a pro printer to print my photos. On their site they provide ICC profiles for there printer which I can use to soft proof.
The site states
"Our Fuji 570 printer does not read embedded profiles, so the image data must be converted. This changes the data in the file to compensate for how our lab's machine actually prints colors."
Can anyone tell me how I should export from Aperture that converts the image rather than embedding the profile?
BTW I have a calibrated monitor and I am processing RAW files from my 400D.
Thanks.

Can anyone tell me how I should export from Aperture
that converts the image rather than embedding the
profile?
Make a new export preset that uses the provided ICC profile. Aperture will then convert to the chosen profile on export.
Ian

How to convert sRGB images to CMYK retaining icc profiles?

I was given the follwoing info. but not sure it answers fully - it still doesn't resolve the problem of converting to CMYK with the icc profile. I think this might be an option if the profile is loaded into the colour setting (colour settings under edit menu as oposed to convert to profile and its convert to profile I have been trying to action. Am I missing something straightforward?
thanks!
you can do batch process in Photoshop
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7427a.h tml
-There is a fast and easy method to batch convert many RGB photographs to CMYK files by using Photoshop
-Please open an image, then open the Action Tab (Window > Actions)
-Please click 'Create new action' button, name the action in the text field and click the 'Record' button.
-Now it is recording, so select 'Image > Mode > CMYK Color', then hit the 'Stop' button in the Action Tab.
-The action is now created ready for the next step.
-To batch convert a folder of images, just select 'File > Automate > Batch' and the following window opens.
-Choose the 'Convert RGB to CMYK' action from the drop-down list, choose the source folder where your images are stored, then choose a destination folder where Photoshop will save the converted images.
-Click the 'OK' button and the batch process will start. How fast will depend on the number of images that need converting.
-The action you created will be stored, so you only need to perform a new batch process the next time you need to convert a batch of images.

I think we may need a little more information to fully address your question or issue. sRGB and CMYK are two very different color spaces, and converting from one to the other requires significant shifts in color. Are you refering to a specific input or output icc profile?

Image Processor: Include ICC Profile?

I shot jpg sRGB. Should I include the ICC profile when extracting images? The images will be uploaded to zenfolio.com and made available for print sales. Looking for guidelines and what you folks do. Thank-you.

Hi,
Do you have Include ICC Profile checked at the bottom of the Image Processor dialog?

Read ICC profile information of an image

Dear community,
for my further implementation I need some information about the ICC profile used for an actual image edited inside Photoshop. How can I read the ICC informations about an image?
I am implementing an export plug-in and found some ICC component inside the ExportRecord struct, called:
Handle iCCprofileData; /**< Handle containing the ICC profile for the image. (NULL if none.)
                                            Photoshop allocates the handle using the Photoshop handle suite.
                                            The handle is unlocked while calling the plug-in.
                                            The handle is valid from \c ExportSelectorStart to \c ExportSelectorFinish
                                            Photoshop frees the handle after \c ExportSelectorFinish. */
int32 iCCprofileSize; /**< Size of profile. */
int32 canUseICCProfiles; /**< Non-zero if the host can accept or export ICC profiles .
                                            If this is zero, the plug-in should not set or dereference \c iCCprofileData. */
What I am not understand:
How can I read the iCCprofileData and which information will be delivered by the iCCprofileSize?
For iCCprofileData I got int values like @179952120 or @179952176. They differ for every loaded image. Seems that I just read the memory address. The "Handle" points to an empty char '\0'. I have no idea how to work with the datatype "Handle" correctly ...
For the iCCprofileSize I got integer values like 544 for the embedded profile Adobe RGB (1998), 3144 for the working color space sRGB IEC61966-2.1 or also 3144 for the embedded profile without color management:
embedded profile = Adobe RGB (1998) -> iCCprofileSize = 544 (or sometimes 560)
working color space = sRGB IEC61966-2.1 -> iCCprofileSize = 3144
embedded profile = without color management -> iCCprofileSize = 3144
embedded profile = SWOP2006_Coated3v2 -> iCCprofileSize = 2747952
working color space = Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004) -> iCCprofileSize = 654352
embedded profile = without color management -> iCCprofileSize = 654352
The variable canUseICCProfiles delivers always the value 1. As well if I selected the embedded profile without color management.
Can I infer from the iCCprofileSize which profile will be used by each image?
Does somebody has more experience with these there members (iCCprofileData, iCCprofileSize and canUseICCProfiles) of the struct ExportRecord?
I would be grateful for some hints.
King regards,
Silver

hai,
i paste the java source code for getting each pixel value of an image.i think that this code is usefull to you.
import java.awt.image.PixelGrabber;
import java.awt.Toolkit;
import java.awt.Image;
class getpixel2
public static void main(String args[]) throws Exception
Image image = Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit().getImage("D:\\one.jpg");
if(image==null)
System.out.println("NO FIle");
PixelGrabber grabber = new PixelGrabber(image, 0, 0, -1, -1, false);
if (grabber.grabPixels())
int width = grabber.getWidth();
int height = grabber.getHeight();
if (isGreyscaleImage(grabber))
byte[] data = (byte[]) grabber.getPixels();
else
int[] data = (int[]) grabber.getPixels();
for(int i=0;i<data.length;i++)
int r = (data[i] >> 16) & 0xff;
int g = (data[i] >> 8) & 0xff;
int b = (data[i] >> 0) & 0xff;
System.out.println("(R,G,B)=("+r+","+g+","+b+")");
public static final boolean isGreyscaleImage(PixelGrabber pg)
return pg.getPixels() instanceof byte[];
}

Get the icc profile of an image

Hi all,
I'm looking for a way to get the icc profile of an image in a PDF.
I already know the tools like Acrobat preflight … But I only can get that my PDF contents RVB images or not.
I'm looking for a tool to return the ICC profile of all images (s'RGB, Adobe 1988, etc.).
Have anyone an ideas?
Thanks a lot.
Bye

Hi,
I have an other question … Sorry
I use this tool and it help me a lot … But I still can't get the icc profil name.
For example: the inspector return CMYK device but I would like to have Fogra 27, ISO coated v2, Swop etc.
Do you have an ideas?

Get ICC Profile name of image in INDD

Hi,
How I can get the Profile name associated to a RGB/CMYK image in InDesign?
The properties profile of image return Embedded instaed of name of ICC profile (Example Adobe RGB (1998)).
From link palette this info is available...
Stefano

Hi,
I found the solution using the power of Sips:
try
    set pathImmagine to "Snow Leopard:Users:stefano:Desktop:roman16_06_yellow.tif"
     set profileName to do shell script "sips -g profile " & quoted form of (POSIX path of pathImmagine) & " | fgrep profile | sed 's/ profile: //g'"
on error msg number errnum
    set profileName to "ND"
end try
Very fast even with big images.
But like Adobe as added the intelligent new Parent page property, this property must be added in InDesign
Stefano Cappello

Get icc-profile from a image

Is ist possible to get the ICC-profile of a image
I try this with a Adobe RGB 1998 with embeded profile:
alert(app.activeDocument.selection[0].graphics[0] .profile);
alert(app.activeDocument.selection[0].graphics[0] .space);
But it only return "Emdeded" for .profile and "RGB" for .space. But i want it to return adobe rgb 1998
Is it possible?

I can't think nothing better than temporarily open the link in Photoshop and get its embedded profile from there:
#target indesign
#targetengine "session"
if (!BridgeTalk.isRunning("photoshop")) {
     alert("Photoshop is not running.");
else {
     var link = app.selection[0].graphics[0].itemLink;
     CreateBridgeTalkMessage(link.filePath);
function CreateBridgeTalkMessage(filePath) {
     var bt = new BridgeTalk();
     bt.target = "photoshop";
     var script = GetProfile.toString() + "\r";
     script += "GetProfile(\"" + filePath + "\");";
     bt.body = script;
     // $.writeln(script);
     bt.onResult = function(resObj) {
          var result = resObj.body;
          DisplayProfile(result);
     bt.send(100);
function GetProfile(filePath) {
     try {
          app.displayDialogs = DialogModes.NO;
          var psDoc = app.open(new File(filePath));
          var prof = app.activeDocument.colorProfileName;
          psDoc.close(SaveOptions.DONOTSAVECHANGES);
          app.displayDialogs = DialogModes.ALL;
          return prof;
     catch(err) {
          psDoc.close(SaveOptions.DONOTSAVECHANGES);
          app.displayDialogs = DialogModes.ALL;
function DisplayProfile(result) {
     alert( "Color profile is \"" + ((result == "undefined") ? "Not embedded" : result) + "\"");

Preflight - for specific ICC-profile in images

Hi there
This sort of has my head spinning.
Is it possible to do a pdf analysis to check that all images use a specific icc-profile(FOGRA27)?
I know it can be done in many different ways(Output Inspector for one) and by using the PDF fixup that converts to CMYK only.
But I cant seem to create a profile that targets that specific issue without applying fixups.
Basically I just want a list of images that are not in FOGRA27. Not a list of non-CMYK/Spot or similar. Can this be done in Acrobat 9?
I'm aware that ensuring can be done in many ways earlier on, but I need it to be done in Acrobat. Guess it has become a challenge now. :-)
I also need to figure out whether this can be done in the preflight in InDesign CS4.

martij17 wrote:
Hi folks
can I use custom ICC profiles in Lightroom 3? These are profiles from Ilford for their papers which i'm using.
Thanks
Yes.
On a Macintosh they should be placed at /Library/ColorSync/Profiles/ .

Help with saving images, icc profile?

Hi all, I just read an article http://everydayelementsonline.com/2011/07/web-browsers-and-color-management/ about web browsers and color management. I was going through and looking at how I save my images. In this article it suggests having the ICC profile checked when you save. I noticed when I go in to save from my mac all that pops up for me is "embed color profile: adobe RGB (1998)". I can't figure out why I don't have the ICC option.
I'm brand new to editing images and would appreciate any help I can get. I just want to make sure people are seeing what I think I'm actually editing if they're viewing from the web. I'd appreciate any help or tips, thanks!

Andrea_GB wrote:
… it suggests having the ICC profile checked when you save. I noticed when I go in to save from my mac all that pops up for me is "embed color profile: adobe RGB (1998)". I can't figure out why I don't have the ICC option
LOL !
That is the "ICC option". Adobe RGB is one of many ICC color space profiles.
However, for the web, you should really go to the EDIT menu and CONVERT to sRGB. (Do not use "Assign Profile". Use CONVERT.)
Then when you go to Save, you'll have the option to "embed color profile: sRGB…" (any such variant thereof)., which is another ICC profile and what all non-color managed expect to find on the web.
Wo Tai Lao Le
我太老了

My book is being printed on icc profile US web coated swop v2 paper. Is it better to work on my images in this profile than sRGB.

is it better to work on an image in the icc profile than in sRGB

It depends. If you know positively that's the profile that will be used, you can do that (a lot of people use it just because it happens to be the Photoshop default).
Pro: you'll be working within Web Coated SWOP's limited gamut from the start, so you won't be disappointed when some colors are clipped in the final conversion. And they would be, because US Web Coated SWOP v2 is a very small color space. Don't expect deep saturated blues, for instance, because you won't get it.
Contra: You have to be very careful to not exceed TAC, total area coverage, while you work. This is the total amount of ink the paper can hold without smearing and/or drying issues. If you convert from an RGB profile this is taken care of automatically, because TAC is specified in the profile, but an adjustment in CMYK can easily push you over the limit. Can't recall what the specific limit is in this case, but somewhere around 300 to 310% should be safe. Ask the printer. You have to monitor this continually.

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